AGAIN, Tanzania burns another 5,000 day old chicks imported from Kenya

#41
Na watu inakaa wanaamini the bird flu story. Magufuli ni wale thin-skinned dictators wenye hufanya vitu mostly for show to hoodwink his people.

Sijui watu wa Raila mbona wanampenda. What Uhuru has been doing of late is not even half of Magufuli does na mnateta hapa about dark days and sijui constitution.

You can confiscate and charge people. What they're doing is just spiteful. I'm sure if he starts detaining Kenyans illegally in Tanzania without trial (if he isn't already), you'll start saying it serves those Kenyans right. But you'll expect in Kenya to enjoy those rights.

I'll always defend my country people ata wakiwa wrong. External factors like these should be bringing us together but naona we'r throwing each other under the bus juu ya political expediency. Some of those people suffering under Magfool voted for Raila btw.

But imagine those day old chicks burning bana :(. Fire is just a sadistic way to kill any living thing.
 
#42
I always vote against Raila, but I've always taken the side of those Kenyans being harassed by Ugandan police in Migingo. It makes me indignant that we allow our countrymen to suffer, ata kama wanasemekana wame-fish the Ugandan side.

Kumbukeni hizi borders ni za wazungu. But endeleeni ku-support Magfool against your countrymen. Haitasaidia Baba at all.
 

spear

Village Sponsor
#43
Illegal trade will always exist as long as the need exists, plus I don't think the Kenyans are being affected, in most cases the chicks are bought from Kenya by Tanzanians who go and sell the same in their country.
They should find a way of preventing the sale, before Tzsh crosses the border.
North Tz is the bedrock of opposition in Tz except mwanza area. Megafools is killing two birds with one stone. Frustrate trade with us and at the same time deny the leaders that revenue from the trade. Since independence all these were amicably settled fairly by junior staff at customs and police. Right now we have two joint border posts (Namanga/Lunga Lunga where duty and clearance is easy and prompt. What obvious is the sudden slide to aggressively frustrate trade across the border. Kenyans would travel daily to buy fresh produce in North Tz and sell it here, all those permits were stopped. They want their own to supply here though they are not aggressive to do it. Meanwhile our manufactured goods are facing unofficial sanctions in their border. Lastly you will sign trade agreements with them but implementation or effect on the ground is another thing all together. Didn't we resolve this matters again just 2 weeks ago at AU HQ.
 

magreb

Village Elder
#44
point is, it is easy to hide under regulations and due process when you want to complicate smooth flow of business between neighboring countries or communities. you forget those same fellows auctioned maasai cattle a few months ago. why is this BS not happening in Uganda boarder? TZs actions and hatred towards Kenyans are a sign of inferiority complex and you will hear many more similar incidences. we must call this out for what it is.
Sir, we seem to be talking about the same thing our only problem being the language we use. It is pointless to catch feelings when a country introduces regulations, as Kenya is wont to introduce from time to time, for whatever reasons.
 
#46
And what is it?
Sir, we seem to be talking about the same thing our only problem being the language we use. It is pointless to catch feelings when a country introduces regulations, as Kenya is wont to introduce from time to time, for whatever reasons.
you are living in one of the most friendly and easy countries. migration, working, doing business here is a breeze. try doing the same in tz. just the other day there were stories of kurias who went to school and started their families in the tanzanian side of isebania being separated and deported. and for your information, you will not get the same treatment in other east african countries.
 

RayJohnroe

Senior Villager
#47
Tanzania has burnt 5,000 one-day old chicks illegally imported through the northern Namanga border with Kenya.



The Principal Secretary in the Ministry of Livestock, Maria Mashingo, said the unnamed importer did not have the necessary documents.

Tanzania says the move to destroy the chicks is aimed at preventing the spread of bird flu.

“There is no need of destroying an entire chicken sector because of only 5,000 chicks,” said Ms Mashingo.

About three months ago, Tanzania set alight some 6,400 day-old chicks worth about Sh577,000 impounded at the same border post, a move that was widely condemned by animal enthusiasts from both countries.

The move also escalated trade wars between the two neighbours.

READ ALSO: Kenya reacts after Tanzania burns alive 6,400 poultry chicks from Kenya
The key word here is illegally
 

RayJohnroe

Senior Villager
#50
which can be very arbitrary. it is not like the chicks were contraband. and there is a better way of dealing with the situation without invoking bird flu.
Why should you take your goods there illegally? Do you want to break a foreign law and then predict the outcome of your actions? In Kenya hasn't a ship been blown with drugs in it? Cows shot because bandits were allegedly hidden behind them?
 

magreb

Village Elder
#51
you are living in one of the most friendly and easy countries. migration, working, doing business here is a breeze. try doing the same in tz. just the other day there were stories of kurias who went to school and started their families in the tanzanian side of isebania being separated and deported. and for your information, you will not get the same treatment in other east african countries.
Stop going on a tangent. We are discussing the merits and demerits of Tanzanians restricting the importation of birds and the remedies for violating those restrictions.
 

magreb

Village Elder
#52
Why should you take your goods there illegally? Do you want to break a foreign law and then predict the outcome of your actions? In Kenya hasn't a ship been blown with drugs in it? Cows shot because bandits were allegedly hidden behind them?
Kenyans are used to breaking laws with impunity then "talking" to officials. That is why they are surprised when they see their neighbour taking decisive action.
Why didn't we advance the same argument when the ship carrying drugs was blown up?
 

RayJohnroe

Senior Villager
#54
Kenyans are used to breaking laws with impunity then "talking" to officials. That is why they are surprised when they see their neighbour taking decisive action.
Why didn't we advance the same argument when the ship carrying drugs was blown up?
Kenyans are used to the term "hatuwezi kosa kuelewana" and think the same applies to tz
 
#58
I am in support of Tz here, they maybe "silent" hostile neighbors but i honestly think Kenyans are too corrupted with short cuts to even see faults in anything they do. To the traders, do due diligence before exporting.

Obey the law, after compliance and if malice still persists we have a reason to cry wolf. Tz are sovereign, so they may take whatever direction they so fit.

Kenya is equally sovereign & should find ways of taming this madness if indeed we can't co exist. No need of looking too needy and desperate. Of late Tz is appearing like its setting the terms of engagement more often and Kenya has no substantive reply in "action". The reply should not be spelt out btw, but it must be felt.
 
#59
I am in support of Tz here, they maybe "silent" hostile neighbors but i honestly think Kenyans are too corrupted with short cuts to even see faults in anything they do. To the traders, do due diligence before exporting.

Obey the law, after compliance and if malice still persists we have a reason to cry wolf. Tz are sovereign, so they may take whatever direction they so fit.

Kenya is equally sovereign & should find ways of taming this madness if indeed we can't co exist. No need of looking too needy and desperate. Of late Tz is appearing like its setting the terms of engagement more often and Kenya has no substantive reply in "action". The reply should not be spelt out btw, but it must be felt.
Why are you assuming the worst about Kenyans? In most cases of smuggling, mtu huingiza vitu kwao.

Juzi kwa gazeti tuliona Kenyans are smuggling Tanzanian beer here coz it's cheaper. In the above case, most likely ni Mtanzania and the baby chicken tu ameumia. The Kenyan probably made money akimuuzia on our side.

But of course Kenyans tu ndio hufanya magendo na hatu-respect law, according to you.
 

magreb

Village Elder
#60
Why are you assuming the worst about Kenyans? In most cases of smuggling, mtu huingiza vitu kwao.

Juzi kwa gazeti tuliona Kenyans are smuggling Tanzanian beer here coz it's cheaper. In the above case, most likely ni Mtanzania and the baby chicken tu ameumia. The Kenyan probably made money akimuuzia on our side.

But of course Kenyans tu ndio hufanya magendo na hatu-respect law, according to you.
You are skirting around the real issue here. Where you are in charge of an authority that handles importation of anything, and you set up guidelines to govern such importation, and it so happens that some people are operating outside the regulations, what do you do?