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Xiphos

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Battle Of The Air Defense Systems: S-400 Vs Patriot And THAAD



S-400 Triumf air defense system (Image: Russian MoD)
The American-made Patriot and Russian S-400 Triumf air defense systems are currently hogging international orders despite their price tags running into billions of dollars. While the Patriot has more or less a captive market within United States allies, the S-400 has had to sell on its capabilities alone having won orders from Turkey and China, countries which compete with Russia in the international arms market.
Further orders for the S-400 is likely to come from India which has internally approved the acquisition with only a formal signature on the contract awaited to set the procurement process in motion. In addition, Saudi Arabia, Morocco and Iraq are said to be in negotiations to buy the system.
Another US-made system, the THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) missile defense system that is designed to intercept ballistic missiles at high altitude is also a competitor for the S-400 regarding some of its features, though not in terms of direct international sales.
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S-400 vs. Patriot PAC-3
According to the table above, the S-400 comes across as the most advanced serially produced air defense missile system in the world. Its closest rival is American Patriot with both systems capable of shooting down both aircraft and ballistic missiles. Here is a comparison of technical parameters:
S-400 can shoot down targets moving at a speed of 17 km/hour. (while Patriot/PAC-3 could only shoot down a target moving at 8 km/hour)
S-400 can engage with 72 targets simultaneously and track 160 targets at the. Same parameters for Patriot are 36 and 125 targets
S-400 locates a target at 600 km distance and can destroy at 400 km range (with the latest 40N6E missile that just has been successfully tested). Patriot can locate a plane at 180 km and an enemy’s missile at 100 km
S-400 is able to down targets flying as low as 10 meters and as high as 30 km while Patriot PAC-3 destroys its lowest target at a height of 50 meters with the highest at 25 km
The deployment time for S-400 and Patriot PAC-3is 5 minutes and 25minutes respectively.
Various informed sources have said that to hit an aircraft with a probability not less than 0.99, one will have to launch 1-2 S-400 missiles or 2-3 Patriot missiles. In case of fighting off a ballistic missile attack the ratio will be 1 / 2 or 3 in favor of S-400.
The Patriot system's usage during actual deployment situations has left room for doubt over its performance. For example, after the 1991 Gulf War it was revealed that only a per centage of Iraqi SCUD missiles were actually shot down by Patriot batteries guarding Saudi Arabia and Israel. In case of theIraqi missile strike against the American military barracks in Dhahran (Saudi Arabia) in February 1991 the failure of the Patriot intercept left to a tragedy – 27 troops were killed, about 100 wounded. In 2003, also the overall performance was better; there were also cases of failed intercepts of the outdated ballistic missiles launched by Saddam’s army in the first days of the invasion. The effectiveness of Patriot systems proved to be low despite almost ideal conditions: low-speed targets, solitary launches, absence of ECM environment and false targets. After 1991 and 2003 significant upgrades are reported to be made but the Saudi experience of countering the Yemeni missiles (comparable to the ones used by the Iraqis) shows almost the same lack of efficiency – see November 2017 missile attack against Riyadh.
Combat use of the Patriot systems has also highlighted some shortcomings of the system: high sensitivity to sand ingestion and unstable electric supply. There have also been reports of accidental launches.
However, the S-400 is yet to be tested in battle so there is no record of it having been fired during actual combat. The system has been deployed in Syria, but didn’t engage any targets yet. There have been reports that the S-400 deployment effectively converted the Russian operating zone over Syria into a ‘No-fly-zone.’ Some western media reports that US-led coalition and Israeli aircraft avoid the area covered by the S-400.
It is interesting to note that China which has its own anti-aircraft and anti-missile air deference system, choose to buy the S-400. It must be remembered thatTurkey had first selected then rejected a Chinese proposal for an air defense system.
Increasing US aircraft activity in the South China Sea is believed to have forced China to buy the S-400 from Russia; in the process acknowledging that its own home-grown air defense system were not sufficient to counter sophisticated US aircraft such as the F-35 and F-22. China, which is the first international customer to receive the S-400 is scheduled to test fire the system in August or September 2018.
An ace up the sleeve of the4 S-400 is said to be its ability to detect stealth aircraft such as the F-35 and Chinese J-20 which are characterized by a low radar signature. Exact how effective is this stealth objects detection capability is not known. But suffice to say there is genuine concern among western commentators that the S-400 could covert the F-35 which took some US$396 billion to develop, into a regular 4th generation aircraft effectively negating its tech and price advantage. The same would apply to the Chinese J-20 if the S-400 were to be purchased by India.

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system.
S-400 & THAAD
The US-built THAAD is an effective missile defense system whose capabilities of downing ballistic missiles in terms of intercept altitudes and ranges surpass its the rivals. However it is strictly an anti-missile system, which can hit targets only at very high altitudes (minimum 40-50 km) which makes it useless against fighter jets or long range strategic aircraft. It is not an air defense missile like S-400 or Patriot.
“Countries seeking effective defense against aircraft andmissiles will have to buy two costly American systems – Patriot and THAAD, while the Russian S-400 can unite their functions. S-400 can also hit difficult ballistic targets at distances up to 60 km, The ability to shoot down the high-speed targets of S-400 almost equals THAAD (around 17 km/hour),” a defense industry source said.
 
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Nattydread

Village Chief
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However, the S-400 is yet to be tested in battle so there is no record of it having been fired during actual combat. The system has been deployed in Syria, but didn’t engage any targets yet. There have been reports that the S-400 deployment effectively converted the Russian operating zone over Syria into a ‘No-fly-zone.’ Some western media reports that US-led coalition and Israeli aircraft avoid the area covered by the S-400.
Even deterrence is a war tactic. :D :D
 

Teddy_time

Village Elder
#6
Its interesting that the Russians appear to have the more advanced system. But we still need to see these stuff in action since the Russians were known to exaggerate capabilities of their war material since soviet times

Also, the Russians (or atleast the soviets) were known to export stripped down versions of their war equipment so that they always have the latest and greatest. This stripped down version was called the "Monkey Model":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_variants_of_Soviet_military_equipment
 
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Battle Of The Air Defense Systems: S-400 Vs Patriot And THAAD



S-400 Triumf air defense system (Image: Russian MoD)
The American-made Patriot and Russian S-400 Triumf air defense systems are currently hogging international orders despite their price tags running into billions of dollars. While the Patriot has more or less a captive market within United States allies, the S-400 has had to sell on its capabilities alone having won orders from Turkey and China, countries which compete with Russia in the international arms market.
Further orders for the S-400 is likely to come from India which has internally approved the acquisition with only a formal signature on the contract awaited to set the procurement process in motion. In addition, Saudi Arabia, Morocco and Iraq are said to be in negotiations to buy the system.
Another US-made system, the THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) missile defense system that is designed to intercept ballistic missiles at high altitude is also a competitor for the S-400 regarding some of its features, though not in terms of direct international sales.
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S-400 vs. Patriot PAC-3
According to the table above, the S-400 comes across as the most advanced serially produced air defense missile system in the world. Its closest rival is American Patriot with both systems capable of shooting down both aircraft and ballistic missiles. Here is a comparison of technical parameters:
S-400 can shoot down targets moving at a speed of 17 km/hour. (while Patriot/PAC-3 could only shoot down a target moving at 8 km/hour)
S-400 can engage with 72 targets simultaneously and track 160 targets at the. Same parameters for Patriot are 36 and 125 targets
S-400 locates a target at 600 km distance and can destroy at 400 km range (with the latest 40N6E missile that just has been successfully tested). Patriot can locate a plane at 180 km and an enemy’s missile at 100 km
S-400 is able to down targets flying as low as 10 meters and as high as 30 km while Patriot PAC-3 destroys its lowest target at a height of 50 meters with the highest at 25 km
The deployment time for S-400 and Patriot PAC-3is 5 minutes and 25minutes respectively.
Various informed sources have said that to hit an aircraft with a probability not less than 0.99, one will have to launch 1-2 S-400 missiles or 2-3 Patriot missiles. In case of fighting off a ballistic missile attack the ratio will be 1 / 2 or 3 in favor of S-400.
The Patriot system's usage during actual deployment situations has left room for doubt over its performance. For example, after the 1991 Gulf War it was revealed that only a per centage of Iraqi SCUD missiles were actually shot down by Patriot batteries guarding Saudi Arabia and Israel. In case of theIraqi missile strike against the American military barracks in Dhahran (Saudi Arabia) in February 1991 the failure of the Patriot intercept left to a tragedy – 27 troops were killed, about 100 wounded. In 2003, also the overall performance was better; there were also cases of failed intercepts of the outdated ballistic missiles launched by Saddam’s army in the first days of the invasion. The effectiveness of Patriot systems proved to be low despite almost ideal conditions: low-speed targets, solitary launches, absence of ECM environment and false targets. After 1991 and 2003 significant upgrades are reported to be made but the Saudi experience of countering the Yemeni missiles (comparable to the ones used by the Iraqis) shows almost the same lack of efficiency – see November 2017 missile attack against Riyadh.
Combat use of the Patriot systems has also highlighted some shortcomings of the system: high sensitivity to sand ingestion and unstable electric supply. There have also been reports of accidental launches.
However, the S-400 is yet to be tested in battle so there is no record of it having been fired during actual combat. The system has been deployed in Syria, but didn’t engage any targets yet. There have been reports that the S-400 deployment effectively converted the Russian operating zone over Syria into a ‘No-fly-zone.’ Some western media reports that US-led coalition and Israeli aircraft avoid the area covered by the S-400.
It is interesting to note that China which has its own anti-aircraft and anti-missile air deference system, choose to buy the S-400. It must be remembered thatTurkey had first selected then rejected a Chinese proposal for an air defense system.
Increasing US aircraft activity in the South China Sea is believed to have forced China to buy the S-400 from Russia; in the process acknowledging that its own home-grown air defense system were not sufficient to counter sophisticated US aircraft such as the F-35 and F-22. China, which is the first international customer to receive the S-400 is scheduled to test fire the system in August or September 2018.
An ace up the sleeve of the4 S-400 is said to be its ability to detect stealth aircraft such as the F-35 and Chinese J-20 which are characterized by a low radar signature. Exact how effective is this stealth objects detection capability is not known. But suffice to say there is genuine concern among western commentators that the S-400 could covert the F-35 which took some US$396 billion to develop, into a regular 4th generation aircraft effectively negating its tech and price advantage. The same would apply to the Chinese J-20 if the S-400 were to be purchased by India.

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system.
S-400 & THAAD
The US-built THAAD is an effective missile defense system whose capabilities of downing ballistic missiles in terms of intercept altitudes and ranges surpass its the rivals. However it is strictly an anti-missile system, which can hit targets only at very high altitudes (minimum 40-50 km) which makes it useless against fighter jets or long range strategic aircraft. It is not an air defense missile like S-400 or Patriot.
“Countries seeking effective defense against aircraft andmissiles will have to buy two costly American systems – Patriot and THAAD, while the Russian S-400 can unite their functions. S-400 can also hit difficult ballistic targets at distances up to 60 km, The ability to shoot down the high-speed targets of S-400 almost equals THAAD (around 17 km/hour),” a defense industry source said.

Since we're talking about air defense.....You need to see what the US Navy's SM-3 missile can do:
Range: 900 km (560 miles) Block IA/B
2,500 km (1,550 miles) Block IIA
Speed: 3 km/s (Mach 8.8) Block IA/B
4.5 km/s (Mach 13.2) Block IIA

Then there's the SM-6...the hot rod of all missiles. I call it a hot rod because it's largely a combination of other missiles' parts:
The multi-mission SM-6 is engineered with the aerodynamics of an SM-2, the propulsion booster stack of the SM-3, and the front end configuration of the AMRAAM.
Estimates of the SM-6's range vary; its official published range is 130 nmi (150 mi; 240 km), but it could be anywhere from 200 nmi (230 mi; 370 km) to as much as 250 nmi (290 mi; 460 km).

It is the only missile capable of virtually all theatre missions in modern warfare. From anti-ballistic defense, air defense, land-strike and is now also a proven anti-ship missile.

The other missiles pale in comparison to these capabilities. You could argue that these are naval missiles mostly found on American Aegis equipped Cruisers and destroyers but that is soon changing.

With the introduction of Aegis Ashore missile bases across a growing number of countries friendly to Uncle Sam and
It's only a matter of time before the Americans adapt these missiles for land based mobile launchers like the s400 and the patriot.
 

patco

Village Chief
#12
Na kwani mnajua S400 pekee? Kwani Russia doesn't make other types of missiles other than defense missiles?


Halafu kuna hio video @Nattydread ame post. Wanarudia clip moja mara tatu.


A B2 fortress bomber dropping hundreds of bombs hizo mta defend aje?

Tuseme B2 fortress iko Kisumu and Russia is a big country na hio lorry moja ya S400 iko Nai.

By the time huyo dereva awashe lorry akimbie karibu na Kisumu... a-park lorry... ainue hio karai... wafinya finye hizo buttons... the B2 will be in DRC!!! :D

Hio lorry ikikwama tena ni shida. Ikikosa ngata tena ni shida. Ikipata puncture tena ni shida.

Obviously hio lorry haiwezi tembea kwa desert or rough terrain.

And how do you escape when in that slow moving truck?! :D:D

If a fighter jet sees you, by the time you decide to set up, inua karai you are very dead.

Hata low flying helicopter inaeza kimbisha hio lorry. :D


Infact a human on foot with an AK 47 can terminate an S400 truck. Ukiangusha DEVGRU navy seal na parachute na amebeba mines na armour piercing shells hio S400 kwisha. Hata land mine inaua hio truck!!

And once your position is established, escape in the truck is tricky.
 

Sambamba

Village Sponsor
#13
Na kwani mnajua S400 pekee? Kwani Russia doesn't make other types of missiles other than defense missiles?


Halafu kuna hio video @Nattydread ame post. Wanarudia clip moja mara tatu.


A B2 fortress bomber dropping hundreds of bombs hizo mta defend aje?

Tuseme B2 fortress iko Kisumu and Russia is a big country na hio lorry moja ya S400 iko Nai.

By the time huyo dereva awashe lorry akimbie karibu na Kisumu... a-park lorry... ainue hio karai... wafinya finye hizo buttons... the B2 will be in DRC!!! :D

Hio lorry ikikwama tena ni shida. Ikikosa ngata tena ni shida. Ikipata puncture tena ni shida.

Obviously hio lorry haiwezi tembea kwa desert or rough terrain.

And how do you escape when in that slow moving truck?! :D:D

If a fighter jet sees you, by the time you decide to set up, inua karai you are very dead.

Hata low flying helicopter inaeza kimbisha hio lorry. :D


Infact a human on foot with an AK 47 can terminate an S400 truck. Ukiangusha DEVGRU navy seal na parachute na amebeba mines na armour piercing shells hio S400 kwisha. Hata land mine inaua hio truck!!

And once your position is established, escape in the truck is tricky.
You clearly know more than an army that defeated Napoleon and inflicted 80 % of Nazi Germany casualties.
We hail you arm chair general
 

patco

Village Chief
#14
You clearly know more than an army that defeated Napoleon and inflicted 80 % of Nazi Germany casualties.
We hail you arm chair general

Tuko 2019 mjamaa. 2019 not 1945.

Na hio mambo ya 80% NAZI casualties sounds like fake news. :D

Ukiongeza chumvi weka acceptable level. Sio packet mzima.
 

Wanaruona

Village Sponsor
#15
Ktalk military experts, Generals, lieutenant colonels... busybodies naona mme assemble?

Major @Sokwe mtu leta maoni. Colonel @Wanaruona , axe-man Lt. @marine1 na Brigadier @spear leteni mawazo na intelligence. :D
Countries saa hii zimefunguka macho. Long are the day they used to lick your booty. Kwanza Saudi na Turkey have shown you the middle finger.
Kwanza your military hardware are overrated. F35 ni meffi. What you could have done mnge upgrade Tomcat na F15 into 5 generation.
F15 is a proven air to air tactical fighter. It has never been lost. Kwanza Israeli have shown us their capabilities. The Navy is planning to recall the Tomcat.
Country yenu ni kama Kenya tu. Tenderprenuer are ripping your country.
La mwisho wewe ni meffiii kwa mecho yangu.
 

patco

Village Chief
#17
Internet yako ni ya ku watch porn CNN na memes. Angalau be curious and read meaningful things and acquire knowledge.

Russians caused 80% of NAZI casualties? Can you be serious with some of the things you write here.

Unajua vile Russia kwanza ilibomolewa na Hitler.

Next utasema the Russians won the war on their own!!
 

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