Can you be a scientist and still believe in God?

[hadadoh]

According to 100 Years of Nobel Prizes (2005) by Baruch Aba Shalev, a review of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000, 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference (423 prizes). Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards.

But that’s not even the argument.
Read John Lennox a mathematician article here
https://www.rzim.org/read/just-thinking-magazine/can-you-be-a-scientist-and-believe-in-god

Some excerpt please read

the connection between the biblical worldview and the rise of modern science was well recognized. Eminent Australian ancient historian Edwin Judge writes:

The modern world is the product of a revolution in scientific method … Both experiment in science, and the citing of sources as evidence in history, arise from the worldview of Jerusalem, not Athens, from Jews and Christians, not the Greeks.5

C. S. Lewis sums it up well when he says, “Men became scientific because they expected law in nature, and they expected law in nature because they believed in a Legislator.”6

Recent historians of science, like Peter Harrison, are more nuanced in their formulation of the way in which Christian thought influenced the intellectual landscape in which modern science arose, but they reach the same basic conclusion: far from hindering the rise of modern science, faith in God was one of the motors that drove it. I therefore regard it as a privilege and an honor, not an embarrassment, to be both a scientist and a Christian.

Here are some examples of the convictions of the greatest scientists. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630), who discovered the laws of planetary motion, wrote:

The chief aim of all investigations of the external world should be to discover the rational order which has been imposed on it by God and which he revealed to us in the language of mathematics.

This was no expression of mere deism since Kepler elsewhere revealed the depth of his Christian convictions: “I believe only and alone in the service of Jesus Christ. In him is all refuge and solace.”

Michael Faraday (1791-1867), arguably the greatest ever experimental scientist, was a man of profound Christian conviction. As he lay on his deathbed, he was asked by a visiting friend, “Sir Michael, what speculations have you now?” For a man who had spent his life making speculations about a vast array of scientific subjects, discarding some and establishing others, his response was robust: “Speculations, man, I have none! I have certainties. I thank God that I do not rest my dying head upon speculations for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed to him against that day.”

As he faced eternity, Faraday had the certainty that upheld the apostle Paul centuries before him.

GALILEO

“But wasn’t Galileo persecuted by the church?” asked another member of my Siberian audience. “Surely that shows there is no concord between science and faith in God.”

In my reply, I pointed out that Galileo was actually a firm believer in God and the Bible and remained so all of his life. He once said that “the laws of nature are written by the hand of God in the language of mathematics” and that the “human mind is a work of God and one of the most excellent.”

Furthermore, the popular, simplistic version of this story has been massaged to support an atheist worldview. In reality, Galileo initially enjoyed a great deal of support from religious people. The astronomers of the powerful Jesuit educational institution, the Collegio Romano, initially endorsed his astronomical work and fêted him for it. However, he was vigorously opposed by secular philosophers who were enraged at his criticism of Aristotle.

[Bangaiza_Salinga]

St Thomas Aquinas managed to do both…

[Shaka]

Some of the scientist were initially religious scholars who graduated into science. But their ideas were rejected by bishops, who thought it would undermine their authority

[Kaffir]

You can compartmentalize, during your work you push religion to the back of your mind and on sundays do they same to your work.
Shida ya mtu kama mimi I can’t just let it be I have to ask questions !

[hadadoh]

@Shaka

Some of the scientist were initially religious scholars who graduated into science. But their ideas were rejected by bishops, who thought it would undermine their authority

Really? You need to read the whole article. You will realise that sceptics always don’t make their arguments based on facts especially towards religion and more specifically Christianity and they simply bias the coin by claiming before hand that nothing religious can be factually established.

[hadadoh]

@Kaffir

You can compartmentalize, during your work you push religion to the back of your mind and on sundays do they same to your work.
Shida ya mtu kama mimi I can’t just let it be I have to ask questions !

It is funny that you think that Christians and people in any other religion don’t ask questions. I assure you that that point of view is wrong. I grew up in a Christian home and I can assure you I have had to explore and read a lot of philosophies on human existence from the very primary question of where did God come from at a tender age of a class one pupil.

[system]

@hadadoh

Really? You need to read the whole article. You will realise that sceptics always don’t make their arguments based on facts especially towards religion and more specifically Christianity and they simply bias the coin by claiming before hand that nothing religious can be factually established.

Gallileo Galilei

[Kaffir]

@hadadoh

It is funny that you think that Christians and people in any other religion don’t ask questions. I assure you that that point of view is wrong. I grew up in a Christian home and I can assure you I have had to explore and read a lot of philosophies on human existence from the very primary question of where did God come from at a tender age of a class one pupil.

Not all ask questions some are afraid of the rabbit hole ! afraid of what they might find on the other side !
I too grew up christian and I’m raising my family christian just as I was raised , I will let my kids question and find out their own answers for themselves , but I remember even as a kid I had so many questions about the bible and found so many contradictions. For me it’s live and let live as long as it’s not affecting government policy hence affecting my life .

[ChifuMbitika]

I believe in the factuality of science and also in existence and almightiness of God. However, some scientific theories clash with the working of God.

[hadadoh]

@Deorro

Gallileo Galilei

The story of galileo galilei is already handled in the article posted above. Whoever were against him were not Christians but actually some other secular philosophers who belonged to the Aristotelian school of thought whose world views were totally shattered with his discovery. This are the people who through letters accused him to the Roman empire. The atheists false narrative on the issue is however carrying the day including in this forum.

[Greedy_Genius]

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@hadadoh

The story of galileo galilei is already handled in the article posted above. Whoever were against him were not Christians but actually some other secular philosophers who belonged to the Aristotelian school of thought whose world views were totally shattered with his discovery. This are the people who through letters accused him to the Roman empire. The atheists false narrative on the issue is however carrying the day including in this forum.

so who are these

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what about nicolaus copernicus

[hadadoh]

@Greedy Genius

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[hadadoh]

@Deorro

so who are these

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what about nicolaus copernicus

I already stated that is the narrative that is used by the atheists but you didn’t seem to read my comment. You can still use google as you have done at least now, to get what happened before the trial from different sources as well.

[hadadoh]

Legend has it that Nicolaus Copernicus and the church were at odds over his development of the heliocentric theory, a principle that disputed the widely held belief that Earth was the center of the universe.

Unlike Galileo and other controversial astronomers, however, Copernicus had a good relationship with the Catholic Church. It may come as a surprise, considering the Church banned Copernicus’ “Des revolutionibus” for more than 200 years. Copernicus was actually respected as a canon and regarded as a renowned astronomer. Contrary to popular belief, the Church accepted Copernicus’ heliocentric theory before a wave of Protestant opposition led the Church to ban Copernican views in the 17th century.

[system]

@hadadoh

I already stated that is the narrative that is used by the atheists but you didn’t seem to read my comment. You can still use google as you have done at least now, to get what happened before the trial from different sources as well.

where is the evidence for this?

[kijanamrefu]

@hadadoh

Legend has it that Nicolaus Copernicus and the church were at odds over his development of the heliocentric theory, a principle that disputed the widely held belief that Earth was the center of the universe.

Unlike Galileo and other controversial astronomers, however, Copernicus had a good relationship with the Catholic Church. It may come as a surprise, considering the Church banned Copernicus’ “Des revolutionibus” for more than 200 years. Copernicus was actually respected as a canon and regarded as a renowned astronomer. Contrary to popular belief, the Church accepted Copernicus’ heliocentric theory before a wave of Protestant opposition led the Church to ban Copernican views in the 17th century.

As an aside, people still claim that Copernicus came up with this theory? Heliocentric theory is as old as the pyramids. Some mzungus arguing over who developed thousands of years after some dark black Sudanese guys figured it out is inconsequential.

[hadadoh]

@Deorro

where is the evidence for this?

Read the article in the link in my post. Then you can still Google as usual.

[Shaka]

The problem is that history is written by oppressors to spread lies to hoodwink masses. Some study material were discovered recently, having been destroyed by church and papers used to write prayer books. The content shows sophisticated mathematic models that we thought did not exist during those days. That knowledge if it was made freely availble, we would be very far ahead.

[hadadoh]

@Shaka

The problem is that history is written by oppressors to spread lies to hoodwink masses. Some study material were discovered recently, having been destroyed by church and papers used to write prayer books. The content shows sophisticated mathematic models that we thought did not exist during those days. That knowledge if it was made freely availble, we would be very far ahead.

@Shaka

The problem is that history is written by oppressors to spread lies to hoodwink masses. Some study material were discovered recently, having been destroyed by church and papers used to write prayer books. The content shows sophisticated mathematic models that we thought did not exist during those days. That knowledge if it was made freely availble, we would be very far ahead.

Don’t you realise that the same narrative is expected by those opposed to the church. First they must paint them with the undesirable tittles like oppressors villains who don’t really want the truth to be known. For instance how do you explain finding materials that were destroyed then found. Accusing one of hiding something in such a way that whatever is hidden can never recovered is obviously a successful scheme. How do we really figure out that the information concealed could be valuable without first getting access to the information first?