Ethiopia flies in Troops as clash with Kenyan forces imminent

#41
That was not a war, and if you think that's what Kenya is made of then you're mistaken my friend. The only force that can challenge KDF in this part of Sahara is SA and Egypt.
Mh, nyie Ug tu anawatandika daily hapo migingo. Ati in this part of Sahara mnapigwa na SA na Egypt, Egypt haipo this side of Sahara buda, Kenya jeshi lenu dhaifu, niwashauri tu, msiombee vita, maana mtapigwa sana.
 

imei2012

Village Elder
#43
Armchair war decorated generals giving their considered tactics!!! Kenya and Ethiopia have a silent peace pact dating to the days of haile sellasie and mzee shomo to peacefully resolve problems.... So mtangoja war sana.....
For those wenye walisomea history kwa dirisha just know Ethiopia sits on quicksand and I don't think they would tempt that by going on an all out offensive against kenya.... So you can rest your balls and sip on something
 

Wafs

Village Elder
#44
That was not a war, and if you think that's what Kenya is made of then you're mistaken my friend. The only force that can challenge KDF in this part of Sahara is SA and Egypt.
Blind patriotism, ujinga mtupu. Ethiopia is militarily stronger than Kenya and that's a fact. People with access to better information have ranked Ethiopia above Kenya. Hapa usijichoche ya bure. In fact, haujui chenye unasema kabisa. Algeria is arguably stronger than SA. Algeria has a very deadly airforce. Isitoshe, they recently ordered a batch of Su-35s. In a conflict, Algeria's airforce can easily incapacitate Kenya's sensitive installations (cutting our fighting power by a huge chunk). Tunisia, Morocco and Nigeria are all stronger than Kenya. The mitumba equipment you see paraded on national holidays at Nyayo stadium don't hold a candle to heavyweight equipment out there. Kenya's army is decent but very far from being at the top.
You can't argue about this, you're not allowed. CIA and other organizations with info, that you and I don't have access to, know better.
All in all, there is no war going to happen between Kenya and Ethiopia.
 
#45
Blind patriotism, ujinga mtupu. Ethiopia is militarily stronger than Kenya and that's a fact. People with access to better information have ranked Ethiopia above Kenya. Hapa usijichoche ya bure. In fact, haujui chenye unasema kabisa. Algeria is arguably stronger than SA. Algeria has a very deadly airforce. Isitoshe, they recently ordered a batch of Su-35s. In a conflict, Algeria's airforce can easily incapacitate Kenya's sensitive installations (cutting our fighting power by a huge chunk). Tunisia, Morocco and Nigeria are all stronger than Kenya. The mitumba equipment you see paraded on national holidays at Nyayo stadium don't hold a candle to heavyweight equipment out there. Kenya's army is decent but very far from being at the top.
You can't argue about this, you're not allowed. CIA and other organizations with info, that you and I don't have access to, know better.
All in all, there is no war going to happen between Kenya and Ethiopia.
What makes you think that Nigeria is stronger? Who are these people with better access to information?
 
#46
Blind patriotism, ujinga mtupu. Ethiopia is militarily stronger than Kenya and that's a fact. People with access to better information have ranked Ethiopia above Kenya. Hapa usijichoche ya bure. In fact, haujui chenye unasema kabisa. Algeria is arguably stronger than SA. Algeria has a very deadly airforce. Isitoshe, they recently ordered a batch of Su-35s. In a conflict, Algeria's airforce can easily incapacitate Kenya's sensitive installations (cutting our fighting power by a huge chunk). Tunisia, Morocco and Nigeria are all stronger than Kenya. The mitumba equipment you see paraded on national holidays at Nyayo stadium don't hold a candle to heavyweight equipment out there. Kenya's army is decent but very far from being at the top.
You can't argue about this, you're not allowed. CIA and other organizations with info, that you and I don't have access to, know better.
All in all, there is no war going to happen between Kenya and Ethiopia.
That is on paper, but war is not fought in a vacuum, Ethiopia strength compared to KE is very marginal , and in case a war breaks out, other factors will play a bigger role in determining who wins..
1.Which location will be the center of action?? Ethiopia cannot invade and defeat Kenya in our own territory and we cannot also do the same in their own, this is because our armies are under-equipped to project force a distance so vast from our borders to face an army comparable to each other.
 

Wafs

Village Elder
#47
That is on paper, but war is not fought in a vacuum, Ethiopia strength compared to KE is very marginal , and in case a war breaks out, other factors will play a bigger role in determining who wins..
1.Which location will be the center of action?? Ethiopia cannot invade and defeat Kenya in our own territory and we cannot also do the same in their own, this is because our armies are under-equipped to project force a distance so vast from our borders to face an army comparable to each other.
Ethiopia can invade Kenya with their superior airforce. They have 14 Su-27s, high speed and long range air superiority fighters. Kenya's width is 1025km and length is 1130km. An Su-27 has a range of 3500Km. Their fighters can run circles around Kenya. Ethiopia also has over 20 attack helicopters, very capable Mil Mi-24, suited for East African terrain. Afghanistan has a few of these helicopters and refused to let go in exchange for US UH-60A Black Hawks. Ethiopia is significantly better than us. I am not hating on Kenya, just stating facts. You can read about it in defense websites, journals etc Then see for yourself how they come up with the rankings. I have deliberately avoided A2/AD because it's a whole other complexity.
 

ranny

Village Elder
#50
Ethiopia has massive internal rebellion. Both from the addis tribe and the border oroma region. Their fragility means that picking a war with Kenya would be stupid. There is a reason why you rarely see a Kenyan drowning at sea trying to flee yet Ethiopians are all over seeking asylum. The self bitterness among my compatriots amazes me
 
#51
Ethiopia can invade Kenya with their superior airforce. They have 14 Su-27s, high speed and long range air superiority fighters. Kenya's width is 1025km and length is 1130km. An Su-27 has a range of 3500Km. Their fighters can run circles around Kenya. Ethiopia also has over 20 attack helicopters, very capable Mil Mi-24, suited for East African terrain. Afghanistan has a few of these helicopters and refused to let go in exchange for US UH-60A Black Hawks. Ethiopia is significantly better than us. I am not hating on Kenya, just stating facts. You can read about it in defense websites, journals etc Then see for yourself how they come up with the rankings. I have deliberately avoided A2/AD because it's a whole other complexity.
That would not cause a conclusive victory against KE, as their SU-27 are running circles , our planes would also be doing bombing key installations in their country. But as much as you want to over-simplify the matter,
we also have over 60 light attack MD500 that would attack locations near their border, and air defense systems(SA-11 BUK1M SP-SAM missile system ) that would counter their planes , it would not be a complete air domination as you want to put it.. It would be a suicidal mission for both nations.
 
#54
Ethiopia can invade Kenya with their superior airforce. They have 14 Su-27s, high speed and long range air superiority fighters. Kenya's width is 1025km and length is 1130km. An Su-27 has a range of 3500Km. Their fighters can run circles around Kenya. Ethiopia also has over 20 attack helicopters, very capable Mil Mi-24, suited for East African terrain. Afghanistan has a few of these helicopters and refused to let go in exchange for US UH-60A Black Hawks. Ethiopia is significantly better than us. I am not hating on Kenya, just stating facts. You can read about it in defense websites, journals etc Then see for yourself how they come up with the rankings. I have deliberately avoided A2/AD because it's a whole other complexity.
Just to gauge, which fighter jets do you think Kenya have?
 
#55
Ethiopia can invade Kenya with their superior airforce. They have 14 Su-27s, high speed and long range air superiority fighters. Kenya's width is 1025km and length is 1130km. An Su-27 has a range of 3500Km. Their fighters can run circles around Kenya. Ethiopia also has over 20 attack helicopters, very capable Mil Mi-24, suited for East African terrain. Afghanistan has a few of these helicopters and refused to let go in exchange for US UH-60A Black Hawks. Ethiopia is significantly better than us. I am not hating on Kenya, just stating facts. You can read about it in defense websites, journals etc Then see for yourself how they come up with the rankings. I have deliberately avoided A2/AD because it's a whole other complexity.
There is no where you can read about Kenya's latest acquisition and expansion.
 
#56
Mh, nyie Ug tu anawatandika daily hapo migingo. Ati in this part of Sahara mnapigwa na SA na Egypt, Egypt haipo this side of Sahara buda, Kenya jeshi lenu dhaifu, niwashauri tu, msiombee vita, maana mtapigwa sana.
Why fight for a piece of rock when we control 3/4 of UG's economy? It doesn't make sense.
 

Wafs

Village Elder
#57
That would not cause a conclusive victory against KE, as their SU-27 are running circles , our planes would also be doing bombing key installations in their country. But as much as you want to over-simplify the matter,
we also have over 60 light attack MD500 that would attack locations near their border, and air defense systems(SA-11 BUK1M SP-SAM missile system ) that would counter their planes , it would not be a complete air domination as you want to put it.. It would be a suicidal mission for both nations.
I didn't want to get into A2/AD for this reason. We have few F-5 fighters in service, which are third generation fighters. They are multi role planes. Against Su-27s (fourth generation), designed for air superiority, they don't stand much of a chance. They will be swatted out of the sky like flies. Furthermore, Su-27s are equipped to suppress enemy air defenses. There are no public specifications on how an Su-27 would fare against a BUK1M system. What I do know is that, Ethiopia used their jets to successfully suppress Eritrea's air defense and shoot down their planes. Ethiopians also have the Pantsir, SA-2 and SA- systems. I don't know how many batteries of air defense systems Ethiopia and Kenya posses, why I didn't want to mention this.

The light attack helicopters we acquired certainly boosted our capabilities but they still don't hold a candle to dedicated attack helicopters like the Mil Mi-24.

I mean, just look at them.
MD530F
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Mil-24
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MD530s are capable but more suited to scouting and counter insurgency operations. I don't think they will fare well in a fight with a near peer state.

I didn't mention this but Ethiopia has better and more artillery and tanks than Kenya. We don't have much advantage when it comes to boots on the ground.
 

Wafs

Village Elder
#58
Just to gauge, which fighter jets do you think Kenya have?
We have F-5Es, third generation fighters. They are 'hand me downs' from Jordan. Only 15 or so are in service. They are comparable to Mig 21s. Su-27 is a fourth generation fighter. Basically means, all the lessons and limitations of the previous generation have been incorporated and fixed in the newer generation fighter.
Su-27 is a fourth generation but it would get swatted out of the sky by a fifth generation fighter like a F-35 or F-22. It's unfair to pit two aircrafts from different generations because of technological advances.
 
#59
I didn't want to get into A2/AD for this reason. We have few F-5 fighters in service, which are third generation fighters. They are multi role planes. Against Su-27s (fourth generation), designed for air superiority, they don't stand much of a chance. They will be swatted out of the sky like flies. Furthermore, Su-27s are equipped to suppress enemy air defenses. There are no public specifications on how an Su-27 would fare against a BUK1M system. What I do know is that, Ethiopia used their jets to successfully suppress Eritrea's air defense and shoot down their planes. Ethiopians also have the Pantsir, SA-2 and SA- systems. I don't know how many batteries of air defense systems Ethiopia and Kenya posses, why I didn't want to mention this.

The light attack helicopters we acquired certainly boosted our capabilities but they still don't hold a candle to dedicated attack helicopters like the Mil Mi-24.

I mean, just look at them.
MD530F
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Mil-24
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MD530s are capable but more suited to scouting and counter insurgency operations. I don't think they will fare well in a fight with a near peer state.

I didn't mention this but Ethiopia has better and more artillery and tanks than Kenya. We don't have much advantage when it comes to boots on the ground.
... Even UG has SU27, you can imagine what we have plus Air defense system. Ask your brothers in Nanyuki what they have in store.
 

Wafs

Village Elder
#60
There is no where you can read about Kenya's latest acquisition and expansion.
There is. There are several organizations that track military purchases made by countries. Plus there are treaties governing purchase of arms to prevent them falling into the wrong hands. Some of the purchases Kenya has made are usually secret but get exposed by these organizations. I remember when Hajji was minister for Defense, he kicked out journalists from a parliamentary sitting probing military purchases. He claimed the topic was sensitive and a matter of national security. Ole wake, all the purchases were exposed not long after. If a purchase involves US military gear, it is going to be public (not necessarily in Kenya) for sure. Remember the Air Tractors saga?
 

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