Europe and Immigrants...

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mayekeke

Village Elder
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Europe has now declared that they are just not able to deal with the number of immigrants and refugees both from the rest of EU and war torn Syria , Iraq and Libya.

Until a couple of years ago Libyans and Iraqis were happy and comfortable lot. Both countries were invaded and most of the support came from France and Italy for Libya case. What many do not know is that Libya was host to very very many African migrant workers and some refugees who called Libya home.

When Libya went to the dogs (Thanks for killing the man who held it together) a Pandoras box opened. Those immigrants had to look for another home and now including Libyans. Same applied to Iraq, the man who held it together was hanged one Eid day like a dog and now ISIS rules. I feel for all the innocent people in those countries. I also feel for all the innocent Europeans who have worked so hard all their life's to make their countries a better place but sadly you have to bear the wrong political and military moves that were made by your leadership.

As if Iraq, Libya and Syria mess is not enough some mad dogs of war want to finger Iran. The world is lucky to have Obama in charge who has said a big NO. Sadly the woman who led the team who destroyed Libya and even celebrated on live TV when Gaddafi was brutally murdered is now gunning to be US President. On the other side one Donald Trump or the brother and son of the two men who destroyed Iraq are the options US and the world have. Folks we are in very trying moments. Well in Kenya we always host between 500,000 to 1.5M refugees we share the little we have so avalanche of refugees is no news to us. Indeed choices have consequences. You invaded and destroyed Libya, Iraq and Syria so please deal with it .

Muhammad Hersi
 

Ingia

Village Elder
#4
Clinton will not win the democratic ticket. Bernie Sanders atamnyorosha.
But mayeks wacha nikuulize, why can't the migrants go to rich nations like Qatar, Bahrain & Saudia? & its not that I am against then going to EU.
Nani aende kwa waarabu na waislamu?
 
#6
Clinton will not win the democratic ticket. Bernie Sanders atamnyorosha.
But mayeks wacha nikuulize, why can't the migrants go to rich nations like Qatar, Bahrain & Saudia? & its not that I am against then going to EU.
:D:D mujamaa hapa umeongea kama wajadhe wakumi
 

Ingia

Village Elder
#7
Why not? majority of these migrants are waarabu & waislamu.
Kuna mtu alipost the attitude by Islam:
me against my brother,
me and my brother against my father,
me, my brother and my father against extended family,
me and my extended family against the clan,
me and the clan against the other clan,
me and all clans against everybody else.

No africans or europeans enslaved by arabs ever survived.
 

Mkufuu

Village Elder
#8
I feel for all the innocent people in those countries. I also feel for all the innocent Europeans who have worked so hard all their life's to make their countries a better place but sadly you have to bear the wrong political and military moves that were made by your leadership.

Indeed choices have consequences. You invaded and destroyed Libya, Iraq and Syria so please deal with it .

Muhammad Hersi
Europeans were granted asylum in countries of their choice such as the USA during the first and second world wars so it's time to payback. If we are all equal humans, then Libyans, Syrians, Afghans and Iraqis should be granted asylum in countries of their choice as well. I don't see why Lebanon with a population of 4.5 million continues to host more than 1.5 million refugees it's unfair on a struggling developing county.

Parts of Europe led by Germany in the year 2003/2004 opposed the Iraq invasion and held to it's ground. Well the rest of Europe sided with the US and history was made. Now Germans are leading the way in Europe when it comes to hosting refugees in their country. Now that's humanity.

But like I have always insisted the media should not be focusing on the plight of Europe but that's what is selling even here in Kenya. Now people are celebrating fake Karma.
 

mayekeke

Village Elder
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But mayeks wacha nikuulize, why can't the migrants go to rich nations like Qatar, Bahrain & Saudia? & its not that I am against then going to EU.
I really lack words to answer your question,yes Saudi Arabia has taken more than 500,000 refugees but us Muslims barely talk about UAE and those other Arab Nations with lofty buildings surrounded by high walls simply because the Holy City is located there.

The Westerners are solidly behind all of these unrest in the Middle East, even in Africa, that I'm sure. But what I'm still in doubt is, could they have succeeded without the help of insiders? With the lackadaisical attitude of the entire Muslim Ummah, the westerners plans thrive on a smooth ride, very easy sailing, i think we Muslims in the World should take the blame.

What a beautiful Religion without beautiful followers, the internet now educates Muslims on their own religion, shame on all of us. Knowledge is being passed from generations to generations by knowledgeable ones, Islamic knowledge is very different in this generation as 'google' & 'Wikipedia' are now in charge whereas no one would have wasted time in a lecture hall sitted before a lecturer if they were that effective.

In a nutshell, shame on all of us that call ourselves Muslims, it's time to take the blame and leave the westerners out of it.
 

Dunya

Village Elder
#11
Clinton will not win the democratic ticket. Bernie Sanders atamnyorosha.
But mayeks wacha nikuulize, why can't the migrants go to rich nations like Qatar, Bahrain & Saudia? & its not that I am against then going to EU.
They wont go to those countries you mention because the organisers/smmuglers of this migration are not sending them there neither are thye offering to organising for them to go else where including east. Europe is a deliberate destination especially western europe and i bet the terrorists are behind helping 'desperate' people to migrate to europe and creating this migration crisis by sheer numbers so that they can smuggle their own as well. The move to europe is well calculated.
 

Dunya

Village Elder
#13
I really lack words to answer your question,yes Saudi Arabia has taken more than 500,000 refugees but us Muslims barely talk about UAE and those other Arab Nations with lofty buildings surrounded by high walls simply because the Holy City is located there.

The Westerners are solidly behind all of these unrest in the Middle East, even in Africa, that I'm sure. But what I'm still in doubt is, could they have succeeded without the help of insiders? With the lackadaisical attitude of the entire Muslim Ummah, the westerners plans thrive on a smooth ride, very easy sailing, i think we Muslims in the World should take the blame.

What a beautiful Religion without beautiful followers, the internet now educates Muslims on their own religion, shame on all of us. Knowledge is being passed from generations to generations by knowledgeable ones, Islamic knowledge is very different in this generation as 'google' & 'Wikipedia' are now in charge whereas no one would have wasted time in a lecture hall sitted before a lecturer if they were that effective.

In a nutshell, shame on all of us that call ourselves Muslims, it's time to take the blame and leave the westerners out of it.
For the first time since i met you on the internet have you said the very true words on Islam and Mulslims. I always see you/them shifting blame but today you have acknowledged that they are very warped in their thinking.
 

mayekeke

Village Elder
#14
For the first time since i met you on the internet have you said the very true words on Islam and Mulslims. I always see you/them shifting blame but today you have acknowledged that they are very warped in their thinking.
Lest you forget Few Muslims are aware that the roots of the Middle East bloodshed and the nightmare that has led to Muslim babies dying in the seas started in 1915 in a secret agreement called Sykes-Picot. This agreement was only revealed to the public because after the Russian Revolution, the new Government there exposed it.

This agreement, cut the Middle East into manufactured nations (note the straight line borders on a map of the middle east) and then installed dictators to keep those borders from imploding.

The installed rulers maintained the new Middle Eastern nations, by getting support from the West.

Minority sects were used, they were given arms and weapons to keep power, but also ensuring the Government was weak and reliant on their Western backers - equally as importantly - setting the seeds for sectarian war if the installed dictators ever fell (which was always part of the plan).

So in Iraq a Sunni was installed over Majority Shia population, but in Syria the minority Alawites were used by the French to govern the majority Sunni population - the sectarian war is not by chance then but by design - set into being 100 years ago.

The manufactured order in the Middle East is falling apart, and that is leading directly the nightmare we are now seeing. Western nations created the failed structure - and are now standing on the sidelines as Muslim children pay the price
 

Dunya

Village Elder
#15
@mayekeke the observation i wanted to tell you earlier on the refugee arabs migrating was this. While we see muslims in their middle east countries adhering to those strict codes of religion like the burka black dresses that the women wear including those ninja like face coverings, or those white kanzus that men wear, when you look at the migrants walking all over those european countries now, most of them have conveniently discarded those archaic ways of dressing and are now very casually dressed like any other europeans. Of course they are doing so not to appear conspicuous and also to reduce the terror tag associated with muslims in general so that their reception by europeans is softer and they dont scare them into rejection. But i see people who are big pretenders and who use religion for their own and at their own convenience. Or have they forgotten Allah and the great book now that they are in europe? The Islam world has to do a lot of soul searching to know why they are in so much problems especially religious inspired violence and hatred among themselves and towards others. Im glad you have also realised that muslims are the biggest part in their problems and they need to rethink what they teach, how they teach it, how they relate etc. Its a shame that Shia Iran considers Sunni Saudi Arabia as a bigger enemy than even Israel yet the two countries are majority muslim nations whose citizens read and follow the same koran. Its a big shame that it is muslims who are making/causing fellow muslims to migrate as refugees and live destitute lives dying like unwanted flies in the oceans. Its a collective shame to the muslim world today. It is better everyone of them leaves that book and becomes an atheist for that way im sure peace will reign. Its a shame.
 

Ingia

Village Elder
#16
Most people picture the middle east full of muslim arabs everywhere. Iran dislikes arabs e.g. saudi arabia. In fact, Iranians are european/white people. Beef between arabs and persians is very old. Arabs invaded persia and imposed islam and even persians consider Islam a foreign religion. Only that the rulers use it to rule and you have to toe the line and not criticize.
On the other hand, you cannot reform Islam. You can only keep it away from your people. Its very destructive.
 

Ka-Buda

Village Elder
#17
@mayekeke
Thankyou so much.
Nothing more Refreshing than to know that there are people out there who Know what the TRUTH and Reality is behind what is unfolding before us.
These events are just about to change the "World Order" as we have known it and as much as i am Afraid of what the future holds;i believe we are Living in very ineresting times in the History of the Human Race.

Like i said before; Everybody owes it to themselves to Educate themselves Without Prejudice and without leaning to unfounded media influence.
Before you make your mind up;Open it!
The Truth is Out there......
 

Mkufuu

Village Elder
#18
I won't talk much about Islam because it's an area where I need to learn a lot from @mayekeke and his fellow believers. It's good to have diverse perspectives on this issue as I am looking forward to learn something new. In the history of the world, Christianity has been the most intolerant religion. As we Christians continue to criticize Islam as a religion, lets not forget that. @Dunya it would help if you referred to it as hijab or muslim veil as that is better than calling it "ninja like face covering" Thanks.
 

Dunya

Village Elder
#20
Lest you forget Few Muslims are aware that the roots of the Middle East bloodshed and the nightmare that has led to Muslim babies dying in the seas started in 1915 in a secret agreement called Sykes-Picot. This agreement was only revealed to the public because after the Russian Revolution, the new Government there exposed it.

This agreement, cut the Middle East into manufactured nations (note the straight line borders on a map of the middle east) and then installed dictators to keep those borders from imploding.

The installed rulers maintained the new Middle Eastern nations, by getting support from the West.

Minority sects were used, they were given arms and weapons to keep power, but also ensuring the Government was weak and reliant on their Western backers - equally as importantly - setting the seeds for sectarian war if the installed dictators ever fell (which was always part of the plan).

So in Iraq a Sunni was installed over Majority Shia population, but in Syria the minority Alawites were used by the French to govern the majority Sunni population - the sectarian war is not by chance then but by design - set into being 100 years ago.

The manufactured order in the Middle East is falling apart, and that is leading directly the nightmare we are now seeing. Western nations created the failed structure - and are now standing on the sidelines as Muslim children pay the price
This is no excuse for the way arabs in the middle east behave for such a long time. Africa was divided in similar fashion in the scramble for africa yet you will hardly hear the kind of religious inspired conflicts and terror groups. The first and biggest problem in the middle east and this holds true for most of the worlds trouble spots is ISLAM. There needs to be a serious relook by Muslim leaders on what the clerics are teaching and sanitize the message
 
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