I am struggling with Christianity

#21
Religion is not necesarily a bad thing. The problem is the use of religion as a tool of opression/restriction. Most flawed laws have a basis in religious creed, some of which even Christ himself (if he was real) would rebel against.

Let me ask you, what do you think is the meaning of this statement attributed to Jesus? " give to Ceaser that which belongs to Ceaser"

Did Jesus mean that we should obey laws of the land regardless to what we truly believe in? Wouldn't it be unchrist like for Christ himself to call for obedience of the laws of land yet he performed miracles which were contrary to law?

I never said religion is bad. Frankly I'm convinced religion is a tool, whether God exists/doesn't exist may not matter. Tools can be used for good or bad, just like panga, technology and any tool you know. There are societies functioning very well because of their common religions, we also see people using religion wrongly every single day.

About Jesus and Ceaser and laws. All ceasers are made "ceasers" by men. Laws, ethics and morals are manmade just to make society possible. Nature does not recognize manmade laws, nature just wants you to eat good food, stay away from death and have raw sex to continue life, simple. Jesus and Christianity preaches a conformist model i.e. you have to obey a higher power. What if the higher power (government, religion, organization etc) is very wrong, oppressive and bad for the individual? Do you just give ceaser what belongs to ceaser?
People may never know the real truth about the Christian faith as a whole. All we have is a Bible which conflicts itself and has been tailored and changed endless times.
 

nairobilay

Village Sponsor
#23
Try Islam, see how you find it.
Basic concept, we are all humans including Jesus and the prophets. God is the almighty and in control of everything, it's him alone we worship and seek guidance from . We do not associate anyone with God, neither do we go through anyone to reach him.
Of course there are consequences for sin but god forgives those who seek for forgiveness in sincerity . Everyday is a learning day to better yourself .
Try Islam.
Its not simply about trying different religions until you find a fit.
The thing he has to do is answer is IF he believes God exist. If he can justify this belief, then he can narrow it down to a religion that is in line with his own attitude and beliefs of god.
If he doesnt believe, then he will just start doubting Allah as much as any other god
 

Bigfish1

Village Elder
#24
Its not simply about trying different religions until you find a fit.
The thing he has to do is answer is IF he believes God exist. If he can justify this belief, then he can narrow it down to a religion that is in line with his own attitude and beliefs of god.
If he doesnt believe, then he will just start doubting Allah as much as any other god
Well he can still try and see from an Islamic point of view, how things correlate. He may find it better for him.
 
#25
why stop midway instead of the complete statement?
After what you've quoted, he continued with ' and to God what belongs to God...' didn't he?
Even if I completed that quote, it is fashioned in a way to manipulate belivers. That we should obey the laws of the land regardless of what we truly belive in. What if the laws of man are contrary to our beliefs? Which one do we follow? The law or our beliefs? Christ was just being vague purposely to leave it for interpretation. Who has the authority to interpret that?

Another question, what are Gods belonings? To answer that we need some authority to tell us what belongs to God. And if in my own deductions I find that item x belongs to God but the laws of man says they belong to caeser, what do I do?
 
#27
I never said religion is bad. Frankly I'm convinced religion is a tool, whether God exists/doesn't exist may not matter. Tools can be used for good or bad, just like panga, technology and any tool you know. There are societies functioning very well because of their common religions, we also see people using religion wrongly every single day.

About Jesus and Ceaser and laws. All ceasers are made "ceasers" by men. Laws, ethics and morals are manmade just to make society possible. Nature does not recognize manmade laws, nature just wants you to eat good food, stay away from death and have raw sex to continue life, simple. Jesus and Christianity preaches a conformist model i.e. you have to obey a higher power. What if the higher power (government, religion, organization etc) is very wrong, oppressive and bad for the individual? Do you just give ceaser what belongs to ceaser?
People may never know the real truth about the Christian faith as a whole. All we have is a Bible which conflicts itself and has been tailored and changed endless times.
I agree with you 100%. I think it is okay to identify as a follower of a religion but even as you do that, when it comes to your personal convictions, do not compromise. The clever ones will compromise. But I choose to be a fool most of the time. Conclusion; do what you think is right unless if it will greatly inconvenience you.
 

majizee

Village Elder
#28
Religion is the opium of the masses - Karl Marx

Marx was making a structural functionalism argument about religion, and particularly about organized religion.[3][4] Marx believed that religion had certain practical functions in society that were similar to the function of opium in a sick or injured person: it reduced people's immediate suffering and provided them with pleasant illusions which gave them the strength to carry on. Marx also saw religion as harmful, as it prevents people from seeing the class structure and oppression around them, thus religion can prevent the necessary revolution.
 

Starscream

Village Elder
#29
There are always two choices... To believe or not to believe... Either way you "believe"... How often do you read the Bible and how much do you know about the Christian faith?? If you find it absurd then you are totally out, hakuna mguu uko ndani. Choose wisely.
what do you believe in?
 

Starscream

Village Elder
#30
You see you don't have to be a Christian to believe in God. I would advise you to believe in God in your own way and discard Christianity if you don't like it. That's what Thomas Jefferson did he cut out what he felt were irrelevant parts of the New Testament and kept what he liked that book is what we now know as the Jefferson bible.
 

nobert

Village Elder
#31
Religion is the opium of the masses - Karl Marx

Marx was making a structural functionalism argument about religion, and particularly about organized religion.[3][4] Marx believed that religion had certain practical functions in society that were similar to the function of opium in a sick or injured person: it reduced people's immediate suffering and provided them with pleasant illusions which gave them the strength to carry on. Marx also saw religion as harmful, as it prevents people from seeing the class structure and oppression around them, thus religion can prevent the necessary revolution.
And that is why in every problem you hear or see niggers just saying "tutakuombea kwa hayo..." and switch tabs to continue with their business. Even when the govt is dry-frying you you still pray for God to give them wisdom and guidance to wake up.
 

123tokambio

Village Sponsor
#32
Even if I completed that quote, it is fashioned in a way to manipulate belivers. That we should obey the laws of the land regardless of what we truly belive in. What if the laws of man are contrary to our beliefs? Which one do we follow? The law or our beliefs? Christ was just being vague purposely to leave it for interpretation. Who has the authority to interpret that?

Another question, what are Gods belonings? To answer that we need some authority to tell us what belongs to God. And if in my own deductions I find that item x belongs to God but the laws of man says they belong to caeser, what do I do?
Isn't it obvious that the laws of the country are meant to protect our rights to be free and worship among other things. What is that one thing that the law of man would force you to choose on who's side to follow the laws?
Definitely not in Kenya....
 
#33
Isn't it obvious that the laws of the country are meant to protect our rights to be free and worship among other things. What is that one thing that the law of man would force you to choose on who's side to follow the laws?
Definitely not in Kenya....
But the same law can be used to opress you. Not all laws are meant to protect the masses. That is why the likes of Omtata go to court to challenge some laws enacted by parliament. People should not obey the laws of land just because religious creed dictates so. In other words I am saying religion/law can be a bad thing. And this law keeps changing. Bangi illikuwa illegal until recently it was legalised in some countries.
 

123tokambio

Village Sponsor
#34
But the same law can be used to opress you. Not all laws are meant to protect the masses. That is why the likes of Omtata go to court to challenge some laws enacted by parliament. People should not obey the laws of land just because religious creed dictates so. In other words I am saying religion/law can be a bad thing. And this law keeps changing. Bangi illikuwa illegal until recently it was legalised in some countries.
I only asked you to name something that goes against religion in any country, sasa naona the example you're giving me is of legalising weed, kwani wewe ni Rastafari? :D
Can you give a better example pliss, coz honestly am yet to see some laws that go against religion in Kenya...
 
#35
I only asked you to name something that goes against religion in any country, sasa naona the example you're giving me is of legalising weed, kwani wewe ni Rastafari? :D
Can you give a better example pliss, coz honestly am yet to see some laws that go against religion in Kenya...
Romans 13.1 contradicts Article 2 (1) of the constitution of Kenya.
I only asked you to name something that goes against religion in any country, sasa naona the example you're giving me is of legalising weed, kwani wewe ni Rastafari? :D
Can you give a better example pliss, coz honestly am yet to see some laws that go against religion in Kenya...
 
#36
I believe in God, he'll, heaven and Christianity because I believe in justice. If you believe that a murdered, a rapist and their deserve to be in heaven with people who have given their life to do good ...then that is up to you
 
#37
Wewe ndio umeexplain vizuri. Many things just don't add up in many religions, and now it's even worse because organized religion has been monetized, it's a sham. For now I only respect religion because of one thing, hope. If you meet people everyday, rich or poor, you realize it's the religous hope that keeps them going. Life as we know it is suffering and everyone suffers, you toil so hard to achieve you desires then you die, very funny. The false/true hope of a better tomorrow is what makes me respect religion, otherwise without the promises many people would find life rather unbearable.
Suffer suffer for world, now your fault be dat.
 
#38
The bible records that God referred to David as a man after his own heart yet David was an adulterer and murdered as he killed Uriah and committed adultery with his wife...why would God call such a man a man after his own heart...because David was a man of repentant heart who acknowledged he was indeed a sinner and sought for forgiveness from God
 
#39
The main message the Bible has been trying to communicate is that we are all sinners...that is why God introduced the 10 commandments...not for us to keep them .But for it to reveal our sinful nature as humans...that is why no one ever kept the 10 commandments ..So the problem was not the 10 commandments but our sinful nature as humans which make us not to fulfill the 10 commandments...and that is what God wanted us to see when he introduced the 10 commandments
 
#40
So God finally brought the solution to the son issue when he decided to come down and took upon the human nature in form of Jesus fulfilled the 10 commandments abolished it and said th st whosoever believes in him Jesus...has eternal life...because he took upon the human nature and was made sin for humans and sin was judged in him so that the human race can never be judged again for sins....they that put their faith in him
 
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