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Jimi and State Capture

Amused

Village Elder
#1
When you hear JaKuonists constantly claim that the current regime has been riddled with corruption, you wonder whether they really know what they’re talking about - or if they’re cognizant of that Jimi is hell-bent on capturing the state called Kenya.

Keeping it simple, “State capture is a type of systemic political corruption in which private interests significantly influence a state's decision-making processes to their own advantage.

The term 'state capture' was first used by the World Bank (c 2000) to describe the situation in central Asian countries making the transition from Soviet communism. Specifically it was applied to situations where small corrupt groups used their influence over government officials to appropriate government decision making in order to strengthen their own economic positions; these groups would later become known as oligarchs.”

(don’t even try that silly game of trying to redefine it)

The devolution that Kenyans are so proud of would be a thing of the past. Remember that gluttony has no morality. Keeping in mind Babu-chupi’s past dalliance with communism, I have no doubt in my mind that there would eventually be Civil War in Kenya.

Let those that don’t want to vote stay home. The peoples’ will must prevail.
 

Simiyu22

Village Sponsor
#3
Raila is the peoples champ. Thanks for his work especially the last 3 decades. But every good thing comes to an end. Everything has a shelf life.
Devolution is the best thing that happened to the country. Coupled with a rewritten constitution.
There will be NO civil war in this country. Only the Mafia are scared for that.
 

Amused

Village Elder
#4
Raila is the peoples champ. Thanks for his work especially the last 3 decades. But every good thing comes to an end. Everything has a shelf life.
Devolution is the best thing that happened to the country. Coupled with a rewritten constitution.
There will be NO civil war in this country. Only the Mafia are scared for that.
I like your optimism. It’s rather naïve but what do you say to we just make sure we remain democratic? Tuko pamoja! ;)
 

marine1

Village Elder
#5
Raila is the peoples champ. Thanks for his work especially the last 3 decades. But every good thing comes to an end. Everything has a shelf life.
Devolution is the best thing that happened to the country. Coupled with a rewritten constitution.
There will be NO civil war in this country. Only the Mafia are scared for that.
Do u know we had devolution before? Right after independence?
 

Simiyu22

Village Sponsor
#6
I like your optimism. It’s rather naïve but what do you say to we just make sure we remain democratic? Tuko pamoja! ;)
Tuko pamoja. May I suggest you study the dynamics of a civil war. Several books cover this area. And then compare those with the situation in Kenya.
 

Simiyu22

Village Sponsor
#7
Do u know we had devolution before? Right after independence?
Had forgotten this fact. But see the effects of a pure Central government. Look at the accomplishments the prior 30+ years. Moi's henchmen called shots on development in areas where they felt like. Did you want this to continue?
 

marine1

Village Elder
#8
Had forgotten this fact. But see the effects of a pure Central government. Look at the accomplishments the prior 30+ years. Moi's henchmen called shots on development in areas where they felt like. Did you want this to continue?
I asked u that question because devolution is about to die just like it died then because of exact same things happening now. History is a teacher we ignore.
 

Simiyu22

Village Sponsor
#9
I asked u that question because devolution is about to die just like it died then because of exact same things happening now. History is a teacher we ignore.
I dont see it dying for very many reasons. One is the appetite for funds in rural areas is too high. And rising. Thousands employed as a result of devolution. Lots of programs depending on devolved funds. Where will they go? And I dont see governors giving up their positions of power.
It initially may have died because of a weak constitution with systems being doctored along the way. Try doctoring anything now and see.
 
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Kimakia

Guest
#10
Raila is the peoples champ. Thanks for his work especially the last 3 decades. But every good thing comes to an end. Everything has a shelf life.
Devolution is the best thing that happened to the country. Coupled with a rewritten constitution.
There will be NO civil war in this country. Only the Mafia are scared for that.
Yaah he has worked it all on his own to get Kenya where it is today.Rewrite the constitution to suit a perrenial loser
 

Simiyu22

Village Sponsor
#11
Yaah he has worked it all on his own to get Kenya where it is today.Rewrite the constitution to suit a perrenial loser
Where did you get the info he worked on his own?
And somebody else wrote sections of the constitution to his (RAOs ) liking. In fact this is where it is biting him. Remember someone said to always write a constitution you would give to your worst enemy.
 

marine1

Village Elder
#12
I dont see it dying for very many reasons. One is the appetite for funds in rural areas is too high. And rising. Thousands employed as a result of devolution. Lots of programs depending on devolved funds. Where will they go? And I dont see governors giving up their positions of power.
It initially may have died because of a weak constitution with systems being doctored along the way. Try doctoring anything now and see.
Some already doctored the election laws.
Governors are just former mayor positions. A serious cash crunch or crisis due to political instability can make the majority do things to the constitution that even we wount like.
Ultimate Devolution is when counties start sustaining themselves , hii yetu as of now ni kama cdf tu but with manager and staff and offices......
 

Wepukhulu

Village Elder
#13
When you hear JaKuonists constantly claim that the current regime has been riddled with corruption, you wonder whether they really know what they’re talking about - or if they’re cognizant of that Jimi is hell-bent on capturing the state called Kenya.

Keeping it simple, “State capture is a type of systemic political corruption in which private interests significantly influence a state's decision-making processes to their own advantage.

The term 'state capture' was first used by the World Bank (c 2000) to describe the situation in central Asian countries making the transition from Soviet communism. Specifically it was applied to situations where small corrupt groups used their influence over government officials to appropriate government decision making in order to strengthen their own economic positions; these groups would later become known as oligarchs.”

(don’t even try that silly game of trying to redefine it)

The devolution that Kenyans are so proud of would be a thing of the past. Remember that gluttony has no morality. Keeping in mind Babu-chupi’s past dalliance with communism, I have no doubt in my mind that there would eventually be Civil War in Kenya.

Let those that don’t want to vote stay home. The peoples’ will must prevail.
When hyena wants to eats young one, it will start by accusing it of smelling like a sheep
 

marine1

Village Elder
#14
Uhuru in his first term gave us the freedom and environment to do anything but instead of using it positively tulikojolea. The next president will kill devolution and I can bet on this. Some are not independent minded Enuff to be positive and prosper without political influence.
 
K

Kimakia

Guest
#15
Where did you get the info he worked on his own?
And somebody else wrote sections of the constitution to his (RAOs ) liking. In fact this is where it is biting him. Remember someone said to always write a constitution you would give to your worst enemy.
Fight for democracy was done by people who are least mentioned in such forums.Raila just joined them when he saw their quest for democracy was headed somewhere.Since then he has used that history to retogressively ask for a piece of cake from the national govt which in my view others deserved more.
Right now we are seeing someone who is even going against a decision from a court that he hailed by introducing hurdles on the way of a clear constitution and rules.When countered the person cries foul.I have always wondered whether he want to be given a leeway and do all that he want.Without anyone questioning him.
A very minute thing like a change of streetname by his bandwagon without him condemning such actions just shows that he is not a statesman,all he did in the past in the name of fighting for democracy was for his own personal gain.
 

Simiyu22

Village Sponsor
#16
Some already doctored the election laws.
Governors are just former mayor positions. A serious cash crunch or crisis due to political instability can make the majority do things to the constitution that even we wount like.
Ultimate Devolution is when counties start sustaining themselves , hii yetu as of now ni kama cdf tu but with manager and staff and offices......
Startup hicupps. These are expected. If you didnt have a credible revenue collection system beforehand, dont expect one to be created overnight.
 

Simiyu22

Village Sponsor
#18
Fight for democracy was done by people who are least mentioned in such forums.Raila just joined them when he saw their quest for democracy was headed somewhere.Since then he has used that history to retogressively ask for a piece of cake from the national govt which in my view others deserved more.
Right now we are seeing someone who is even going against a decision from a court that he hailed by introducing hurdles on the way of a clear constitution and rules.When countered the person cries foul.I have always wondered whether he want to be given a leeway and do all that he want.Without anyone questioning him.
A very minute thing like a change of streetname by his bandwagon without him condemning such actions just shows that he is not a statesman,all he did in the past in the name of fighting for democracy was for his own personal gain.
It comes down to he is the only one standing, in good health physically and still has a reasonable backing. That's why he is still in the limelite and the others are quiet.
We all agreed to a constitutional process. Part of that process is a Supreme Court hearing making a final determination of the final result. Which it did. What is the problem with that? That is not Raila's choice. But as you also see is Raila chained to that constitution itself. And he cant stop it. Think of the constitution as a rolling wheel and not a document, and maybe your views will change.
Dont forget that Raila is a professional Politician. Every politician offers a service for his advanantage at the end. Anywhere in the world. Its just what he is offering vs the need to the population is the question.
 

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