Kieleweke vs tangatanga: The Genesis-2017 nominations

KamauLM

Village Elder
#1
After listening to the leaked phone call between Tuju and Nyanja, I've realized why most Jubilee MPs are loyal to Ruto while the loser battalion are dedicated to keep Ruto away from the presidency. It is also the reason why the former vice chair of Jubilee, Murathe and the SG, Tuju are skeptical about the DP. the rife started in the 2017 where Ruto was highly involved in the nominations implanting his preferred candidates from MPs to Senators to whips and governors. It was no secret that Jubilee nominations were mired with controversy with pockets of violence in certain areas. Visionary leaders lost to so called Ruto allies who we see roaming the country today. For this reason since the handshake those who lost have had the chance to get back at the DP. Still, the former vice chair and the SG are aware of what went down but could not intervene since the DP had the blessing of his boss. Today, the party leadership can speak openly since Uhuru does not support his deputy as he did back then.
 
#3
After listening to the leaked phone call between Tuju and Nyanja, I've realized why most Jubilee MPs are loyal to Ruto while the loser battalion are dedicated to keep Ruto away from the presidency. It is also the reason why the former vice chair of Jubilee, Murathe and the SG, Tuju are skeptical about the DP. the rife started in the 2017 where Ruto was highly involved in the nominations implanting his preferred candidates from MPs to Senators to whips and governors. It was no secret that Jubilee nominations were mired with controversy with pockets of violence in certain areas. Visionary leaders lost to so called Ruto allies who we see roaming the country today. For this reason since the handshake those who lost have had the chance to get back at the DP. Still, the former vice chair and the SG are aware of what went down but could not intervene since the DP had the blessing of his boss. Today, the party leadership can speak openly since Uhuru does not support his deputy as he did back then.

Now, they want Hon.Tuju to follow Hon. Murathe, while DP is doing nothing trying to address the content of the two gentlemen.
The views that Tuju and Murathe have, are shared by a good number of people in , and around Mt. Kenya.
So, forcing the two out, doesn't change the fact. You can take this to the bank, Ruto won't vie for election on a Jubilee Ticket.
 

Circledot

Village Elder
#4
After listening to the leaked phone call between Tuju and Nyanja, I've realized why most Jubilee MPs are loyal to Ruto while the loser battalion are dedicated to keep Ruto away from the presidency. It is also the reason why the former vice chair of Jubilee, Murathe and the SG, Tuju are skeptical about the DP. the rife started in the 2017 where Ruto was highly involved in the nominations implanting his preferred candidates from MPs to Senators to whips and governors. It was no secret that Jubilee nominations were mired with controversy with pockets of violence in certain areas. Visionary leaders lost to so called Ruto allies who we see roaming the country today. For this reason since the handshake those who lost have had the chance to get back at the DP. Still, the former vice chair and the SG are aware of what went down but could not intervene since the DP had the blessing of his boss. Today, the party leadership can speak openly since Uhuru does not support his deputy as he did back then.

Are you implying that people like nyanja are visionary leaders? These guys r perennial losers since moi left.
They r using this opportunity to create confusion.
Look at the likes of Maina kamanda...
Hawana mbele wala nyuma in leadership...
 

Nattydread

Village Chief
#5
Yours is a rather biased reading.

Those of us who followed the nominations closely know that old dogs who always rigged themselves in the old parties (e.g. Kamanda) had hijacked the nominations and were in the process of creating a debacle worse than any that ODM has ever experienced. Tuju was watching helplessly.

Ruto stepped in and oversaw the printing and delivery of materials to every corner of Kenya, and also got rid of ex-KANU/TNA/DP officials involved in the sabotage.

You are correct in saying that he did that under Uhuru's instructions and also because both had sacrificed too much to let the fledgling Jubilee become a corrupt party.

Uhuru's weakness of character is what is causing the current problems. In 2017, he stood 100% behind Ruto and their common vision, against the old guard chauvinists and opportunists who'd joined Jubilee out if desperation. Today, he is a captive if the 'Nyumba' chorus and the family instinct to overeat.

Tuju and Nyanja are driven by the need to avenge the humiliation they suffered when Ruto intervened and righted the Jubilee ship within 36 hours, denying riggers their easy victories.

Example:

“The old wazees could not believe that a Luo can be nominated here and they really gave me a hard time, my name was missing in the botched nominations on Friday but I thank God that was corrected,” said ...

https://kiambunewschatt.wordpress.com/2017/04/27/nyanza-man-nominated-in-jubilee-stronghold/

The old guard are making a blunder again if they think that the youth have forgotten and will let Murathe, Nyanja and Kamanda simply walk back in.
 
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mikel

Village Elder
#6
Yours is a rather biased reading.

Those of us who followed the nominations closely know that old dogs who always rigged themselves in the old parties (e.g. Kamanda) had hijacked the nominations and were in the process of creating a debacle worse than any that ODM has ever experienced. Tuju was watching helplessly.

Ruto stepped in and oversaw the printing and delivery of materials to every corner of Kenya, and also got rid of ex-KANU/TNA/DP officials involved in the sabotage.

You are correct in saying that he did that under Uhuru's instructions and also because both had sacrificed too much to let the fledgling Jubilee become a corrupt party.

Uhuru's weakness of character is what is causing the current problems. In 2017, he stood 100% behind Ruto and their common vision, against the old guard chauvinists and opportunists who'd joined Jubilee out if desperation. Today, he is a captive if the 'Nyumba' chorus and the family instinct to overeat.

Tuju and Nyanja are driven by the need to avenge the humiliation they suffered when Ruto intervened and righted the Jubilee ship within 36 hours, denying riggers their easy victories.

Example:

“The old wazees could not believe that a Luo can be nominated here and they really gave me a hard time, my name was missing in the botched nominations on Friday but I thank God that was corrected,” said ...

https://kiambunewschatt.wordpress.com/2017/04/27/nyanza-man-nominated-in-jubilee-stronghold/

The old guard are making a blunder again if they think that the youth have forgotten and will let Murathe, Nyanja and Kamanda simplybwalk back in.
Very true but it would also be very naive to assume that a seasoned politician like Ruto didn't have his eyes firmly fixed on 2022 during those nominations. Any opportunity to give his lieutenants an advantage was gladly taken ans as an outsider I say getting rid of political deadwood was a great political strategy by william....
 

Nattydread

Village Chief
#7
Very true but it would also be very naive to assume that a seasoned politician like Ruto didn't have his eyes firmly fixed on 2022 during those nominations. Any opportunity to give his lieutenants an advantage was gladly taken ans as an outsider I say getting rid of political deadwood was a great political strategy by william....
It is not just 'deadwood'. We are dealing here with the vilest, most corrupt of Kikuyu chauvinists who have no qualms reviving the battle lines of 2007 for the sake of political gain.

What is wrong about Ruto having his eyes on 2022? Missing, as usual, is evidence of Murathe's alleged rigging by Ruto, while proof of what Kamanda and Co. tried to do to Njagua (for instance) is still all over the place.

How did he manage to anoint and rig in all those 'lieutenants' all over Kenya in the space of 36 hours?
 

scotch

Village Elder
#9
Jubilee was on the verge of collapse were it not for the intervention, ballot papers were few, some candidates with prior info had transported their supporters early enough, some papers were already marked e.t.c.
If people had not been given the right to choose fairly, jubilee would have collapsed
 

Sambamba

Village Elder
#12
Ruto rigged for his lieutenants. A friend who is firmly in the tanga tanga wouldn't have won nominations and owes his political career to Ruto. Deni lazima alipe
 
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Mine_rva

Guest
#14
Ruto's political strategy is always to work with new and young politicians who will take ages to challenge him politically. That's what he did in Kalenjin land in 2013 and extended it across the country in 2017.
 
#17
It's obvious that DP RUTO interfered with the primaries .............hata watoto wanajua , anyone saying otherwise will also swear on their mother's grave ati , WESTON si ya RUTO even tho RUTO himself admitted aliiba ..... People in this country don't follow leaders with vision and character they follow personalities hata kama ako na kesi na scandals hawajali , acheni hiyo ujinga you ignorant sub-saharan africans ......
 

scotch

Village Elder
#18
Ruto's political strategy is always to work with new and young politicians who will take ages to challenge him politically. That's what he did in Kalenjin land in 2013 and extended it across the country in 2017.
No ruto project, real or perceived has won in kalenjin land, acha porojo
 

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