Lawyers in the village

#1
Now that Magufuli has blown the case of chinese loans wide open, we now know and suspect what bwana Konyagi a.k.a Gilbeys one has been hiding.

Is there an opening in our constitution that can allow a citizen to subpoena the contents of that agreement signed by the the sell out..?
 
#3
Share more details boss, how did he blow the case of Chinese loans wide open?
someone mentioned in another thread that
"President Magufuli has indefinitely suspended plan to construct Ksh 1T Bagamoyo port which would have dwarfed our Mombasa Port.
He says, the terms under which China wanted to build the port, even a mad man would not accept them. He has asked them to build it in China, under those terms.
The deal to build the port had been signed by the former president Kikwete in 2013.
Parts of the Chinese demand were:
>> To own and operate the port for 32 years.
>> That Tanzania Revenue Authority to keep off from port operations.
>> That they should own the land on which the port stands for 99 yrs.
>>That they can start other companies within the port's land without interference from the government.
>> That TZ should not develop any other port to compete with Bagamoyo Port"
 

sani

Village Elder
#8
Kenya sold itself long time ago. 99% of the roads must be given to Chinese Contractors, for 20% commission/bribe.

No Road project worth over 2 billion will ever be given to a Non Chinese company, never.

The President will never, ever launch any project in Kenya worth over 2 billion shillings, without a Chinese beside him, never ever.

10 years from today, you will be working in a Chinese factory in Mavoko, sleeping in a Chinese house in mavoko, eating heavy metal laden fish from china, wearing chinese clothes, your girl wearing chinese panties (mtush)

Already over 50% of our construction equipment is XCMG, with a lifespan of only 3 projects. Komatsu, CAT hazionekani. Kitambo zilikua affordable kwa contractors local, sa ii hawana pesa, they can only afford FAW trucks sold to them as sub contractors kazi ikiisha.
 

1776

Village Sponsor
#9
We don't really have a Constitution. We are in uthamaki; a feudal system. And the nobility doesn't care what the serfs think of the deals they make with foreign powers.

(kwa mfano, Lamu Coal or the SGR )
I think this sums it up.

OP, the freedom of information is in the katiba (see attached comment regrarding katiba), but there is no operating law.
 

spear

Village Sponsor
#13
Skip to 1:04 to listen to greatness
@mgosi shared this video.

@spear
hates Magufuli but his is just blind patriotism.

And if it was President Uhuru or DP Uncle Ruto saying the same thing you would be busy creating 101 versions of how its wrong. (Nyani aioni Ku....) Fact is Megafools is full blown dictator who is petty, authoritarian and believes he know it all. That's why he has slide Tz to a police state where contradiction of government statement is illegal and punished by jail term. He is also great at render development projects while execution is something else. If you lived in Tz you would need a permit to surf online and pay tax to be here. So feel free to move there to that false utopia. Utarudi tu hapa like those who said they will move to Ethiopia paradise but found desperate Ethiopians in trucks sneaking into Kenya.

Good Morning, let's make babies or just practice the act of baby making.
 

Yunomi

Village Elder
#14
And if it was President Uhuru or DP Uncle Ruto saying the same thing you would be busy creating 101 versions of how its wrong. (Nyani aioni Ku....) Fact is Megafools is full blown dictator who is petty, authoritarian and believes he know it all. That's why he has slide Tz to a police state where contradiction of government statement is illegal and punished by jail term. He is also great at render development projects while execution is something else. If you lived in Tz you would need a permit to surf online and pay tax to be here. So feel free to move there to that false utopia. Utarudi tu hapa like those who said they will move to Ethiopia paradise but found desperate Ethiopians in trucks sneaking into Kenya.

Good Morning, let's make babies or just practice the act of baby making.
Hapa you have to agree that he made the right move. No need wasting funds building a second port that comes with stringent conditionalities when they can expand the first one.
Give credit where credit is due.
And just because someone points out the positive things on a neighbour doesn't mean it's utopia.
 

spear

Village Sponsor
#15
Hapa you have to agree that he made the right move. No need wasting funds building a second port that comes with stringent conditionalities when they can expand the first one.
Give credit where credit is due.
And just because someone points out the positive things on a neighbour doesn't mean it's utopia.
Yes he can say that now when the investors pulled out:D and you will believe him 100%. Why was his government boasting about it for 3 years until this month? I remember the headlines, biggest port in East Africa. China wasn't funding it, its was Oman sovereign fund financing it and Chinese to build it. It didn't take of since the feasibility study that took 18 months to draft showed its not feasible. Oman pulled out leaving the Chinese firm to decide on their way forward. They gave those demands in order to make it viable otherwise it would not have made sense for them to build it. I told people here that from SGR Tz feasibility study, Dar port handles 10 million tons annually. 6 million of it terminates in Dar area itself. 4 million goes to the interior, Ug, Rwanda, Zambia and DRC in small quantities. Very little to justify building the SGR. The only option they have is to ban trucking and direct all cargo to SGR. So what will a new mega port handle? Which cargo? Going where? That was the questions not generalization. Looking at the export and import receipts there is no room for another port. Lakini here megafools will spin it as he likes and gullible followers will clap. For the Chinese to push for such demands it was to try and make that project viable because it wasn't.
 
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Nananimpa

Village Elder
#16
Now that Magufuli has blown the case of chinese loans wide open, we now know and suspect what bwana Konyagi a.k.a Gilbeys one has been hiding.

Is there an opening in our constitution that can allow a citizen to subpoena the contents of that agreement signed by the the sell out..?
Unfortunately the constitution has nothing to do with it. This is an agreement between a country and chinese companies. The government is our representative and whatever nonsense they agree to we are bound. The only way to come out of such an agreement is to prove misrepresentation, duress, fraud or deception. It does not matter who signed the said agreements as long as he/she was/is a government representative and was doing that in that capacity. Now, to enforce these agreements where a government refuses to comply with its obligation, the chinese will not file a suit in a Kenyan court or chinese court, the jurisdiction to hear such matters is vested on the international court of arbitration or other recognized international tribunals that deal with disputes relating to such agreements. Where a state is found to have breached the terms of the agreement, it is directed to comply failure to which it will be blacklisted n other countries will not be eager to trade with such a state. In extreme cases sanctions might be imposed against that state.... our constitution can therefore not help us....
 
#17
Now that Magufuli has blown the case of chinese loans wide open, we now know and suspect what bwana Konyagi a.k.a Gilbeys one has been hiding.

Is there an opening in our constitution that can allow a citizen to subpoena the contents of that agreement signed by the the sell out..?

If there was a truly independent National Assembly or a truly honest Judiciary, the details of the contract could be revealed. After all under Article 10 of the Constitution, the State is to be run with the principle of accountability and the Constitution itself states that we the people are the supreme power in the nation.

But it's not going to happen til Uhuru has been long dead of cirrhosis and Ruto has lost the battle with debt default and a collapsed economy.
 

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