I had a philosophical/religious discussion with a friend who just told me that she would love to live forever, if it was possible as long as the body stops aging at 50 max. Personally, I would like to clock out at 100. The problem is that people always see the good side. The biggest threats are those that you don’t see. For instance, living forever means that you would do everything. You would become president, you would become the most wanted criminal at one point everything. A large part of that life would be spent in prison, because at some point you would get a life sentence, before you are either pardoned or escape. Then the cycle would repeat itself to infinity. My thesis is that the bad times would outlast the good times if you had an infinite life span specifically because of life sentences and diseases which would be inevitable unlike when a lifetime is limited to maybe a century. Imagine suffering from cancer or ebola for 500 years without dying. Living forever doesn’t seem so cool now, does it?
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It’s actually possible, we just have to solve the ageing problem of cells. And with the advancement of artificial intelligence, ageing and disease will be extinct.
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No its not. Very few people actually die of age. Painters fall off ladders, butchers cut themselves, soldiers get shot etc. Solving the aging problem wouldn’t prevent those deaths.
But it will, you see as long as the brain is working, then anything else in the body can be revived or regrown using stem cells. It’s not just about ageing. We’ll be able to grow back any organ in your body and reattach it like nothing ever happened.
For the brain though, we need something that can capture all the information it holds plus the structural features and replicate that with stem cells.
Fine. Living forever means that you would eventually serve life sentences. How would you counter that? Even if biological problems are solved, it is technically impossible to have universal cures for diseases. You would still suffer for centuries before a cure is designed, only to get the next lethal disease. No matter how you put it, the bad times would still outlast the good times on a balance of probabilities, because it is easier to get into trouble than to get out of it. A brief life is the only way you can get out while still ahead. It’s like gambling. That Ogada or Abisai guy, if he was to continue gambling forever, he would eventually give back all his money to sportpesa. The only way he can win is to quit gambling after his early success.
I’m not worried about that. The world will be a vastly different place by then. What I’m worried about is that it could happen as early as 20 years from now. When the machines become gods, we will either become immortal or extinct.
The only way to win in life is to have a reasonably short life span, and condense intense experiences of happiness through smart decision making. For example, most people never serve life sentences in their entire lifetimes, because their life is short. If it was extended to say 5000 years, most would commit a capital offense within the first 2500 years, which means inevitably, more than half of their entire long lifetimes would be spent in Kamiti. Immortality neutralizes any attempt at smart decision making, because it makes stupid decision making, that is likely to cause extensive periods of unhappiness impossible to avoid. You can avoid getting aids for 100 years, can you avoid it for 1000 years? What about 10000 years? The longer your lifetime, the harder it becomes to avoid.
That’s why I said life will be vastly different. The fact that you are arguing against it is proof. But it will happen, and fortunately or unfortunately it won’t be the most critical thing you’ll have to worry about. Space travel will have taken off, there will be overpopulation and unemployment because of the reduced mortality rate.
Specialized medicine will solve your nutrient needs without the need to eat big meals and dispose of them in the toilet.
People will be uploading their brains to a software cloud. Language and speaking will probably be out of fashion as people explore each others minds.
Virtual reality will be more exciting than actual reality. Machines will be capable of atom synthesis and manipulation. It will be possible to create a burger from soil or stone and other few ingredients.
All in 20 years, wait till cars start driving themselves ndio utajua kumebadilika.
The biggest hurdle will be the reorganization of our conscious and also sub conscious mind. I mean, just look at the basic human psyche as is, we’re so used to finite concepts so much that infinite concepts such as the actual size of the universe is mind boggling. We live each day knowing that it will end and night will come. We budget for our expenditure knowing that there’s a limit to how deep our pockets run. We work towards the idea that we’ll one day have to give it all up for a slow life.
If you take all these away then it gets hard to be motivated in life itself. What’s the point of looking forward to a new day when it will be there eternally?
Also, we flinch when someone scares us with a punch because our reflexes protect us from fatal harm. We hold our breath under water because our subconcious knows how bad it might turn out if we let go… If you take this fear away, we’ll have bleak humans that dont care for anything, utterly unresponsive to the world and the next search for thrill & excitement would be on how to end ourselves. It’s basically the plot for the hit show: Altered Carbon
tl;dr is our minds won’t allow for such a life.
My take is this…
We are thinking about immortality using our current homosapien brains. We do not know what the next 100,000 holds for us. Will we evolve into something different? Imagine if we had everlasting life when we were squirrel-like creatures? Would we ever have become homosapiens or would we have effectively stopped our evolution?
For me, extending life is ok. Maybe one day we will be able to live 300yrs or so. But ati everlasting life? Nope. We will essentially deny our future as a species
Life won’t be so eternal when we venture into unknown exotic worlds, so come down it’ll still be exciting. Space travel is the next frontier.
The idea of living forever is a bit far fetched. Even if the adult human body would stop ageing and was not prone to any diseases,forces from the environment that we live in would eventually wipe you out.Statistics say that even an immortal man would not live past 600 yrs.A fatal accident, bullet,terror attack,homicide,suicide etc are some of the external factors that would lead to death.
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The debate wasn’t about being able to live forever or not. It was whether it is worth it to live forever, if it were possible. Basically, if living forever was possible and optional, would you choose to live forever or die inside 100 years? Most of the guys who commented above also didn’t understand the details of the debate. They are responding to “Is it possible to live forever?” instead of “If you have the option to live forever or die within 100 years, which one would you choose?”…those two questions are different.
Immortality might not be possible but in the distant future we may be able to transfer our consciousness into machines making us virtual beings. Thats what the future holds but as far as immortality goes it’s not possible. Everything is subject to entropy and decay. Not even the universe with all its stars will last forever
I would choose to die in 100 years
statistically,an average of 150k people die daily around the globe and 2/3rds is caused by ageing