Nyakundi on fire - Jamaa hacheki na Feminazis!

patco

Village Chief
@Deorro This is not an argument about do you know these filters and lights, that's exactly what's wrong with this conversation. The question like I said much earlier is WHY are you using that filter or that light? That's what we need in Kenya first on top of the financial investment you are talking about. The south Africans have excellent film schools. Same with other top film nations. You just have to know the essentials first.

For instance lets talk about filters. (I'm addressing lens filters in this example.) In fact in an earlier comment I had talked about making a horror film and why you have to choose the right color for mood purposes. Lens filters for instance are good for in camera editing old school techniques. This is where you want a very blue ocean you put a filter to cancel out any green or red chroma that may come into the lens. but why are you doing it? Why do you want a very blue ocean? Maybe the script calls for a very deep blue ocean. Maybe its a TV ad and you want the bluest skies and deepest green waters but you want to do it in camera and not in post. Those are great tools but they must support the story first!

Mood is everything in Cinematography. Take a film like The Matrix. When they are in the real world, the colours change to blue. There are a lot of shadows, dimly lit rooms. To symbolize the difficulties of that world. There are no greens or reds. A drained look. When they enter the Matrix world the colours shift to very colourful bright reds on the cheeks and full lips. Blue skies to symbolize this world of fake happiness. But it's done to support the story not for fancy purposes. But a Kenyan filmmaker doesn't know such stuff and these stuff takes years of practice and study. Why are you doing a close up instead of a wide shot to achieve what? Why?

Why are you using that angle? Why are you shooting the judge from below and not normal eyeline? Why is the female actor left of screen? WHY WHY WHY?

And earlier I was talking about the very INITIAL film lighting processes. Any software is usually used in image manipulation during film tests. Be it Maya, iphoto or even photoshop. The idea is to approximate the final look of the picture not to EDIT. This is not post production but pre-prod. You are just manipulating the image to know how much contrast will be in 300. How much colour will you remove. Play around with the dust using Maya to see how much more dust you can add or remove in a film like Mad Max Fury Road.
 
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Deorro

Guest
Nani alikuambia photoshop hutumika tu kwa picha? I'm talking about image tests before shooting. You know what just Google a guy called larry fong and look for how he manipulated the images in the movie 300. Just because you have photoshop in your laptop usijidanganye you know everything about how it's used.
please describe that process including the tools used, am listening

color grading and color correction are found in editing software
 
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Deorro

Guest
The biggest problem with the film industry in Kenya ni market. If I invest X millions producing a film, how can I get my money back and still make profit.
Naona ViuSasa wanakazana na marketing their platform.

Producing quality Animation movies ni stress tupu. Japanese and Chinese produce Animes at 8 to 12 Fps, juu ni kazi iko hapo.
the japs will move from drawing the animes to 3d with time, take this for example


or this game


sikiza huyu MGTOW guy

 
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Deorro

Guest
I give up. sasa introvert ni nani? if you can't grasp the amount of work that goes into animating the hair on those apes faces...
Wacha niachie hapo. inakaa hatuelewani. I'm talking about oranges you're bringing up lemons. we are not on the same page.
the only part where people draw in such a movie is the storyboard which anybody who can draw can or The matte paintings. There is no drawing during hair animation of creatures at all

I have followed every blockbuster movie making from 2012 where CG is used extensively, and I have a CG background so I understand the process pretty fine. I also have copies of these from 2011

3d.PNG


if you read them then you know about their interviews and vfx breakdowns so yes I know about each and every iconic cg character's creation process and Games too
 
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Deorro

Guest
@Deorro This is not an argument about do you know these filters and lights, that's exactly what's wrong with this conversation. The question like I said much earlier is WHY are you using that filter or that light? That's what we need in Kenya first on top of the financial investment you are talking about. The south Africans have excellent film schools. Same with other top film nations. You just have to know the essentials first.

For instance lets talk about filters. (I'm addressing lens filters in this example.) In fact in an earlier comment I had talked about making a horror film and why you have to choose the right color for mood purposes. Lens filters for instance are good for in camera editing old school techniques. This is where you want a very blue ocean you put a filter to cancel out any green or red chroma that may come into the lens. but why are you doing it? Why do you want a very blue ocean? Maybe the script calls for a very deep blue ocean. Maybe its a TV ad and you want the bluest skies and deepest green waters but you want to do it in camera and not in post. Those are great tools but they must support the story first!

Mood is everything in Cinematography. Take a film like The Matrix. When they are in the real world, the colours change to blue. There are a lot of shadows, dimly lit rooms. To symbolize the difficulties of that world. There are no greens or reds. A drained look. When they enter the Matrix world the colours shift to very colourful bright reds on the cheeks and full lips. Blue skies to symbolize this world of fake happiness. But it's done to support the story not for fancy purposes. But a Kenyan filmmaker doesn't know such stuff and these stuff takes years of practice and study. Why are you doing a close up instead of a wide shot to achieve what? Why?

Why are you using that angle? Why are you shooting the judge from below and not normal eyeline? Why is the female actor left of screen? WHY WHY WHY?

And earlier I was talking about the very INITIAL film lighting processes. Any software is usually used in image manipulation during film tests. Be it Maya, iphoto or even photoshop. The idea is to approximate the final look of the picture not to EDIT. This is not post production but pre-prod. You are just manipulating the image to know how much contrast will be in 300. How much colour will you remove. Play around with the dust using Maya to see how much more dust you can add or remove in a film like Mad Max Fury Road.
How is Maya used during the film lighting process? describe the procedure including the specific maya tools used
 

patco

Village Chief
@Deorro this has turned into a shouting match which can be resolved quite easily. I have pointed out examples of films in all my comments, ukasema it's rubbish. I even pointed out a sound stage in S.A.

Umesema sijui ni nini nasema kabisa. Fine. Earlier I challenged you weka hata example moja ya Kenyan VFX artist and a link to his work, ukalenga.

To put me in my place weka link hata kama ni 10 second clip ya Youtube of a worthy vfx driven project made by ANY Kenyan. ANY KENYAN. Hata kama ni ya beshte yako wa Ginger Ink, huyo jamaa umeita introvert, girlfriend yako ama hata yako mwenyewe. Just one video. Just one.

And I will respectfully say, "enyewe this guy was right, Kenyans are on some next level shit. Nimekubali."

OR

Nitasema, "This is upus."

Simple as that.
 

Solo_Mon

Village Elder
@Deorro this has turned into a shouting match which can be resolved quite easily. I have pointed out examples of films in all my comments, ukasema it's rubbish. I even pointed out a sound stage in S.A.

Umesema sijui ni nini nasema kabisa. Fine. Earlier I challenged you weka hata example moja ya Kenyan VFX artist and a link to his work, ukalenga.

To put me in my place weka link hata kama ni 10 second clip ya Youtube of a worthy vfx driven project made by ANY Kenyan. ANY KENYAN. Hata kama ni ya beshte yako wa Ginger Ink, huyo jamaa umeita introvert, girlfriend yako ama hata yako mwenyewe. Just one video. Just one.

And I will respectfully say, "enyewe this guy was right, Kenyans are on some next level shit. Nimekubali."

OR

Nitasema, "This is upus."

Simple as that.
the artist he's referring to is a member of this forum handle @introvert just open 3-4 of his posts titled "gunia wiki hii"
 

patco

Village Chief
the artist he's referring to is a member of this forum handle @introvert just open 3-4 of his posts titled "gunia wiki hii"
Nimenyamazishwa nikaambiwa huyo introvert ni mchoraji mkali sana. Ameshinda hata Hollywood. Ati anaweza chora zile apes kwa planet of the apes na biro na fullscap pekee yake na ikuwe movie.

Na ikibidi labda aongeze laptop iko na software. Na labda lamp na filter. Hizo tu.

Si nikanyamaza nikasema basi nikae nioneshwe hii miujiza.

Ati wameiva hadi hawahitaji 100 million dollars or a small army of artists. Ni Laptop kwa bedroom na mtu anachomoa blockbuster ingine haikai. wacha tu.

Hapa hapa Nairobi. It's being done. so I'm told.
 
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Deorro

Guest
Nimenyamazishwa nikaambiwa huyo introvert ni mchoraji mkali sana. Ameshinda hata Hollywood. Ati anaweza chora zile apes kwa planet of the apes na biro na fullscap pekee yake na ikuwe movie.

Na ikibidi labda aongeze laptop iko na software. Na labda lamp na filter. Hizo tu.

Si nikanyamaza nikasema basi nikae nioneshwe hii miujiza.

Ati wameiva hadi hawahitaji 100 million dollars or a small army of artists. Ni Laptop kwa bedroom na mtu anachomoa blockbuster ingine haikai. wacha tu.

Hapa hapa Nairobi. It's being done. so I'm told.
i don't think you have been getting me. I have clearly stated from my first replies where I kept talking about lack of a film policy and government support as the reason why there cannot be a thriving film industry in Kenya. You can build a modern sound studio like the one you are talking about, have a modern VFX studio plus a render farm in Kenya but without government support and a policy in place you won't make any money and will be forced to close shop because of frustration. The talent is there, schools are readily available but there is no govt support nor policies in place to regulate the industry. once those are sorted out then business will thrive. In Kenya people still get arrested for taking pics of morning Nairobi sun and others still get arrested for taking pictures at UHURU PARK you think an industry can strive under such conditions?

Lemme give you a perfect example, currently, there is an international Film Convention happening at KICC, local filmmakers were not invited to the event. Neet proof then take a gander at this Twitter thread

and please there is no drawing in 3d animation I don't know why you keep insisting on this yet Andy Serkis does the motion capture for Ceasar and most weta Characters.
 

patco

Village Chief
@Deorro actually what you have simply done is you have shifted goalposts to my side of the argument.

Having realized you can't find one single decent... just one! decent Kenyan made vfx driven clip now you want to change the facts. You told me from the get go that Kenya is fine. Hizi vitu ziko. Hizi ni vitu tunafanya. And I said Kenya is not fine. We first need a national film school. Funded with public money because film study is VERY expensive such that even the poor but TALENTED can afford to attend a national academy. National film school like the Beijing film school, VGIK in Russia, NFTS in England, La Femis in France etc. National Film schools that produce the very Best artists in their countries.

You are arguing that we need money. Yes we do need money but the reality is that you can be given 10 million shillings right now to make a movie and you wouldn't know where to start without the know how. What we need are the BASICS. KNOWLEDGE and INFORMATION.

In a film school you'll be taught how to produce. How to manage funds, how to distribute. Producing is entrepreneurship.

Then after you know how to make films stop the LAZINESS. Kenyan filmmakers suffer from an acute case of LAZINESS. You have to knock on doors and pitch like crazy. Find the banks, find Manu Chandaria and pitch to him to finance a film. Hollywood producers even pitch to drug lords when looking for money. You promise him a profit and if not he'll collect your head. The Govt. should come in by leaning strongly on the tv stations to support the industry and they can collect funds to distribute to filmmakers.But that money is still negligible you have to be aggressive like the Nigerians.
If it means shooting movies, packing them in your boot and selling from estate to estate then we have to start there.
 

patco

Village Chief
Hii mambo ya serikali saidia, serikali leta policy, serikali leta pesa... serikali is a tax collector. like zacchaeus in the bible tax collectors generally don't like to share or to give.
In the U.S. most greats started by selling door to door especially in music. Even Hollywood itself was built by a bunch of highly aggressive artists. It wasn't built by the govt.

Back to music, MC Hammer sold his tapes from his car boot, so did Master P, so did Birdman. Birdman built an empire from his car boot. Very many filmmakers in Hollywood started by selling porno to survive. You shoot straight to video and sell.E.g. Barry sonnenfeld director of Men in Black. But despite working in porn barry sonnenfeld had the basics. He attended NYU film school one of the top schools in the globe. Even P. diddy went to a great college before selling mix tapes. You have to have great training then chart your way out. Riverwood filmmakers survive through such means but to sustain that industry you have to make competitive product not garbage all the time. And competitive product requires know how. Birdman was selling from his boot but he had the skills to make competitive mainstream music.
What I'm saying is even if you are in riverwood don't sell riverwood stuff start competing with the best product globally. That's where film school comes in. That's where @Deorro comes in with his maya. You practice until you're better than these wazungus. The money
will come.
A game like grand theft auto was born in a bedroom in England on a next to nothing budget. But built by very well educated but aggressive young men. David Jones went to a competent school first. He had the basics.And today GTA is the most profitable video game on earth. But they honed their skills and looked for the best people as they progressed.
 

patco

Village Chief
@Deorro That convention at Safaripark had little to do with serious filmmakers. governer mutua announced his presidential ambitions. Wario was just pointing out at future governers sijui the next governer of Malindi. Hata ntv walichoka wakaenda supreme court.

Govt.s don't support industries nor grow them. If the likes of the ownerof bidco had to wait for govt. to assist them they'd still be waiting to this day.
Film conventions, film festivals, film awards in the U.S. for instance including the oscars were started by ordinary individuals NOT the govt. Even IMDB was started by an ordinary film enthusiast.

So we can complain about our lack of involvement thereof,point fingers, shout, but at the end of the day ni wewe ukuje na Maya, mwingine akuje na red dragon, mwingine akuje na filter and we sit and figure out how to get that hard cold cash out of Wanjiku's pocket with those tools of course.
 

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