So one time I was going to this church where one of the male pastors had been left by his wife. The man went through depression almost dying and then he recovered. So one day, he gave a testimony that as per his prayers the man who took his wife was dead, after getting throat cancer and dying while being operated.
It did not sit well with me. Maybe because I couldn’t understand the bond of husband and wife and their children. For me, I have never felt the urge to fight for a man through prayers or physically. To me, I see losing a relationship as something that can be a positive thing especially when it’s toxic, it’s one sided, you are not getting your needs met and you are unhappy bcz it’s an investment of your time and energy and resources so if it won’t give you good returns then it makes no sense to stay in it.
I have no problem leaving a relationship. So I could not understand how you can pray for the man or woman who your spouse went to of their own volition to die so that they may return to you. I see it as a lack of self love coz you see the spouse as being more valuable than you bcz you want them back when it’s obvious that you are no longer valuable to them. Kushinda ukipagania such a one sided relationship is to me low self esteem coz huyo mtu amekuonyesha hakutaki but you are still insisting. In fact it’s idolatry. Ni kuabudu mtu.
I used to think that it’s women who go through this betrayels but I was shocked that even male pastor’s go through them. I see David prayed for his enemies destruction but hii nayo ya kuombea watu wafe ni gani? And it’s not like I have never been annoyed with someone but to the point of praying for them to die? Never. Usually I forgive bcz carrying grudges is very hard. So I usually forget then much later I may hear that some thing bad befell them and I won’t even throw a bash to celebrate their comeuppance.
Maybe I am different but settling scores is the perview of God who is the fair judge. I have better things to pray for than your death bcz you stole my wife or any other of fence. I am like to hell, wakuenda aende, it’s their loss. So my ferrow berievers is it OK to pray for God to kill your enemies and especially people who steal your husband or wife coz I always hear how wives kill MWK with their tears and prayers.
You may not wish it or pray for it. You may even forget. But if God says, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay”, better believe He will, though not when or how you expect it.
Some is serious. People sink to that level when they are bullied by the powerful, yet they themselves can do nothing. Like that pastor, he might have felt helpless coz he couldn’t do anything to the wife thief, so he used the only arsenal he had. Of course I know it’s similar to a jealous man
going to a witchdoctor in a similar case, to ask that the sinning party be caught enjoined in a danguro somewhere, or that the thief suddenly drops dead in the middle of the road at noon.
I asked another pastor and he told me that a woman is like money, once someone else gets your woman, you can’t go to them and say give me back my money, the money doesn’t have your name on it. What if after killing the woman does not want you anymore still. What then? You kill her too?
Remember the case of the girl whose baby daddy poured acid on her, had his friends rape and kill her? The guy left his wife and stole the woman from her husband who was poor, he was an MCA by then, then he got broke and the woman left him the same way she left her first husband and as he had left his first wife. Karma us real.
Sad case of that murdered woman. However, de man of the cloth just wanted to excuse himself not to be held to the vow of till death doth do us part. What would he have done if some bastardo wanted to enjoin himself to the clergyman as, er…“amicus wifae”? Though I must own that some clergymen’s wives are also, well, strange. One surprised me at one time by pecking me on the cheek. I didn’t think our greeting should have become so personal, but life is what it is. She probably knew his name was not embossed on her lips.
Just like the good fruits of the holy spirit,evil does have fruits.Such fruits are things most people will think it’s normal like hasira, vengeance,gossip, jealousy etc
No one is holy,everyday,every time people must repent just like they shower everyday,you don’t shower once.
That guy was supposed to ask God for help through,and repent for scheming such things, vengeance is God’s.
Because of hasira,Moses never got to Canaan(nature of man is sinful),but we hear of Moses again during the transfiguration of Jesus,a sure sign Moses must have asked God for forgiveness before he died.
Being a minister’s wife does not mean that you are not human. You should have been fluttered that she wanted to kiss you so badly she forgot that she like caesars wife should be above reproach. Just think about the scandal it would have been if a busy body saw the two of you.
I have had those moments where I wonder. You find a pastor talking about his ex or his wife talking about her sister’s sex life… With you. You are taken aback like are you guys forgetting that a pastor should be slow to utter intimate details.
I went to this church where the pastor who was a lady wanted me to marry her brother. So he actually used to help me remove my car from the parking bcz it was abit tight. It was a small church, the parking was small. The man was also a pastor and he could pray like Elijah mpaka rain falls but weneva we’d meet he’d always look at me in a lascivious manner. The sister then embarked on joining us together in matrimony. It ended in me leaving the church since the person I liked was the youngest brother but he was married. The church became too small for me, her and her 2 brothers. Actually the one I liked called me to tell me that his sister wanted me to marry her brother even if she knew he was a Casanova. I also don’t know what his intentions were for divulging the information. So I decided not to become a stumbling block lemme join a bigger church where there’s variety. LOL.
Take it easy my dear, the last man who spoke against a man for stealing someone’s wife actually his brother ended up with his head on a platter. As long as the wife is on board it’s not stealing.
He gave a testimony in church and the pastor echoed his sentiment that anyone stealing a wife of a servant of God must face death. I was confused coz killing someone via prayers is akin to witchcraft. The wife could have come back even with out the guy dying but it’s a common theme in our churches. A woman who is an intercessor has a woman who is with her husband prayed to death and we celebrate that the devil has been vanquished. I’m just unsure if it’s OK to pray for your spouses new wife or husband or side chick to die.
Yes the Bible says someone’s wife will earn you death, even that’s how people challenged Jesus,but he said yes,let the one without sin be the first to cast the first stone.Only Jesus is without sin and vengeance is God’s.For the sake of Uriah David’s child with bethsheba died and David’s house was cursed that the sword will never depart from it.
That pastor is supposed to understand the Bible allows divorce incase of adultery,the guy can marry again but whoever takes the divorced woman is committing adultery,the guy divorcing cannot take that woman back.The same applies to a woman divorcing a man.
It would have been a terrible betrayal if I had decided to make other moves out of the brief embrace and the peck. We were in a little room that served as a pantry. I went in to pick something during an Easter after-church luncheon, not knowing she was in the inner room putting away some gifts. I was more flustered than flattered, but before I knew what next she had stepped out. The guy was like family, he trusted me a lot and I had been at his place once or twice. Not many men will let a single guy take their teenage daughters out for ice cream, but he used to, coz he knew they were safe. Even the liberal (@Finest wine thinks her grown up nieces are unsafe with me:D) So I couldn’t hurt him like that. I left their town not long after; I didn’t get any more surprise attention from the missus.
Idiota!
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So amicus wifae must be when you are using your neighbour’s wife coz she gave you the password, possibly many times.
I would have felt very bad about that. I’m sure Philip–Herod’s bro–would have wanted to kill him if he wasn’t king, backed by the occupying Roman army.
About the match making business, I think that since people want to keep a person they like in their social network, they devise a way of tying the person down by marrying them off to a family member. It’s amazing how they are usually hurt if their target has other plans.
I will need to read this from the beginning. I rarely come to this forum of KT. But just a quick one, the only men allowed near my nieces are their agemates and Uni lecturers. End of discussion:D
Match making is tricky. I liked the younger brother, he was alot like me, he was always late to service and he was stoic but was child like in alot of ways, he did not really socialize with church folk much, he left soon as service was done, one day out of the blue he asked for my number and then he called and he called and talked to me for 2 hours. Church men are very interesting. He told me every thing about himself over a phone call and he had never said anything but hi before. Sometimes I feel like it’s safer to date someone who is in another church bcz it can get really ugly when things fall apart, just like dating people you work with.
I think Herods brother should have been happy to be rid of that woman. I have always wondered if the girl who danced was Herod’s or Phillip’s daughter. Do you know?
Yes! I have never ever heard of a Uni lecturer out in the west seducing students. The repercussions are severe. 2ndly one will have to interact with their tutor…
So you liked the man then when he finally called you and told you “everthing” in two hours your interest waned? What do you mean he was child-like?
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About the dancing girl at Herod’s party, an account by Flavius Josephus cited in wikipedia gives her the name Salome. She is said to have married her uncle later.
But from the few writings I could find online she is believed to have been Herod’s step daughter. Since Herodias was not a moral woman, it’s also possible she wasn’t Phillip’s either. What can you expect from a murderer and an adulteress?
It’s believed by some scholars like the one in the link below, https://margmowczko.com/salome-was-the-dancing-daughter-of-herodias-a-child/ , that she was just a child at the time, not a conniving young woman–that’s why she went to ask the mother what she should ask from Herod. Though the offer of giving her “upto half of my kingdom” may not have been literal, Herodias knew that once the king promised something he would lose face if he failed to deliver, so she saw an unexpected opportunity to silence the critic in the dungeon who had been spewing bile against her indiscretions. The girl Salome must have been horrified at the fulfilment of her request: you can imagine a man’s head, fresh and still dripping with blood, presented to a young girl on a platter.
Well he told me that he was married, what did you expect to happen to my interest in him? I’m no homewrecker, you know.
Free spirited and less bothered about other people’s business. He looked like he didn’t have a care in the world. Most adults are always up in other people’s business. Self assured, secure and at peace. Oblivious to what others people think of him. Comfortable in his own skin. Is what I mean by child like.
What surprised me is that after John the Baptist nagging Herod about stealing his brother’s wife to the point of John being thrown into jail, he was actually taken aback by the thought of killing John the Baptist. The man had a conscience after all and that’s why John’s rebukes got to him.
Women make even great men do stupid things–just like Samson. I think Herod couldn’t bear Herodias’ mockery if he failed to give the step daughter what he promised in everyone’s hearing. Herod was troubled because he knew in his heart he was being tricked through his own words to kill a man who didn’t deserve death. He could have detained him forever. Indeed, they say heavy is the head that bears the crown.
