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Tanzanians claim Kajiado's county Gov foolishness is 2nd to none

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It seems as wabongo wako kerwa na comments za governor wa Kajiado about cattle confiscation these are some of the comments.

  1. U fucken need to pay for grazing! Who is Ole Lenku anyway? Isn't he a District Commissioner level? I praise n stand with Magufuli’s bold decision n preceeded announcement! After years of using NGOs to frustrated development n conservation around both the Serengeti n Loliondo n their peripherals, n in so doing support the destruction of our National parks, this idiot is now openly claiming Undugu! Idiots of highest order.

    Tell Uhuruto to give back the Kenyan massais their ancestral land. Its a brutal truth that even Nairobi is within what was once their land that was taken away from them.

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  2. Geza UloleJF-Expert Member
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    Yesterday at 11:37 PM


    Wamejibu tamko la Magufuli ambalo alisema Tanzania sio sehemu ya kuwalisha mifugo wa nchi ya jirani na kwamba kila akikamata mifugo atakua anawatia kwenye mnada moja kwa moja, na kwamba nchi jirani wakikamata mifugo ya Tanzania wafanye watakavyo.

    Gavana Ole Lenku ambaye ni Mmaasai, amesema kwamba hilo ni tamko la aibu kutoka kwa mtu mwenye hadhi ya kama rais Magufuli. Adai ndugu zao Wamaasai kutokea Tanzania wamejaa upande wa Kenya na mifugo yao.
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    Kajiado governor Joseph ole Lenku during an event on August 18, 2017. /KURGAT MARINDANY

    Kajiado Governor Joseph ole Lenku has castigated Tanzanian President John Pombe Magufuli's way of handling cross-border issues.

    He said the East African leader's way of handling livestock which cross into the country for pasture amid biting drought in Kajiado is "shameful".

    "This is indeed shameful for a leader of his stature to auction our livestock and yet we have hundreds of Tanzanian livestock grazing in our country."

    "Why is he creating a wedge between our Maasai communities living in Tanzania and Kenya?" Lenku asked during an interview at his office on Tuesday.

    Lenku said that while Kenya has continued to preach peace among the people living along the border, Magufuli is "busy demolishing bridges for unknown gains".

    This was after Magufuli on Tuesday emphasised that his government will confiscate all livestock trespassing into the country from Kenya.

    During a tour of Kagera province, he said: "Tanzania is not a livestock farm...we will take stern legal action for animals that cross into our country."

    At the same time, the president advised a neigbouring country, which he did not name, to confiscate Tanzanian livestock that crosses into its territory illegally.

    "We have decided to confiscate and take legal action against farmers whose livestock will trespass into our country," Magufuli said in a public rally.

    The Tanzanian president's sentiments came in the wake of accusations that he has been frustrating Kenyan herders who cross over to graze their animals during drought.

    Three week ago, The Star reported an incident in Arusha where Tanzanian authorities confiscated 1,305 heads of cattle and arrested ten Kenyans.

    The arrested animals were auctioned before the herders were released by a court in Arusha after paying a TSh1 million fine each.

    The lot was charged for being in the country without valid documents.

    Lekarokia ole Nangoro, a Kenyan respected elder from Loitokitok, told the Star on Tuesday he was in Arusha when the ten Kenyans were released.

    "All of them are back into the country safe. As we speak now, I am organising a fundraiser to pay off the money we were loaned to pay the court in Tanzania."

    Nangoro spoke on telephone from Tarakea border town in Loitokitok.

    The proceeds from the public auction of the cows belonging to the Ilkisonko Maasai from Kajiado South constituency were handed over to the Tanzanian government.

    The Kenyan herders had been given an option fine of a Tsh500 million by the Arusha court but failed to raise the money and the livestock were auctioned.

    One week ago, Tanzanian authorities at the Namanga border confiscated 6,400 one day-old chicken chicks valued at Tsh12 million on allegations they had bird flu.

    All the chicks were burned alive in the presence of Tanzanian police.

    The owner of the chicks, a Tanzanian, was arrested and detained by authorities, according to Mwananchi Newspaper.

    While speaking in Kagera, Magufuli instructed all the elected leaders to educate their electorates on the need to brand all their livestock.

    Lenku chides Magufuli in row over grazing areas
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    Kama kuna ndugu wafukuzeni pia ama mnyamaze! Msilazimishe hakuna kuchangia ardhi ya Tanzania uwe Mmasai usiwe Mmasai! Hizi chokochoko zimeanza siku nyingi sana kupitia taasisi za Nairobi, Kikwete kalea sana hili jipu! Mwacheni Magu alitumbue.

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  3. Tz boy 4tinoJF-Expert Member
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    Yesterday at 11:39 PM

    Mpuuzi sana huyo gavana anasema ni aibu kwa raisi kuzungumza vile that's so disrespectful. Raisi aendelee kuwaonyoosha these arrogant fools

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  4. darcityJF-Expert Member
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    Yesterday at 11:42 PM

    Tatizo wamasai wanaishi kama watu wa kale. Utakuta wanalisha kwenye mashamba ya watu/wakulima bila kujali. Hiyo tabia ya kuvuka kama vile hakuna taratibu ni sehemu ya wao kutofahamu dunia ya kistaarabu inayowazunguka.

    Hilo ni funzo kwao. Mmasai wa Kenya atabaki kuwa Mkenya na haki zote za uraia wa Kenya na vivyo hivyo kwa mmasai wa TZ

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  5. OiiJF-Expert Member
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    Yesterday at 11:47 PM

    Hawa wakiachiwa wataingiza ng'ombe zao hadi morogoro.
    Lazima sheria zifuatwe, masuala ya mipaka kuwekwa na wakoloni ndio imeshawekwa hivyo, hata kule kwao kuna mipaka na sheria zao lazima zifuatwe.
    Mimi navoona wanalipigia kele ndio nagundua kumbe ilikuwa ni tatizo kubwa.
    Huko kwao wanapiga risasi ng'ombe zikiingia kwenye mashamba alafu wanataka wavuke border kirahisi for grazing. Haiwezekani

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  6. Geza UloleJF-Expert Member
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    Yesterday at 11:47 PM

    Hili Tamko la idiot Ole Lemkundu lijibiwe na DC wa Longido au Monduli

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  7. kichakaa manJF-Expert Member
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    Yesterday at 11:49 PM

    Katika hili mh raisi yupo sahihi kabisa hao wamasai wanao enda kenya inabid watafute utaratibu mwingine hivyo hivyo wa kenya wafuate utaratibu

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  8. Geza UloleJF-Expert Member
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    Yesterday at 11:57 PM


    Mpuuzi sana huyo gavana anasema ni aibu kwa raisi kuzungumza vile that's so disrespectful. Raisi aendelee kuwaonyoosha these arrogant fools
    Wapumbavu sana katika mpaka Kenya ina amani na majirani zake ni huu tu ndio uliobaki. Sasa wamejaribu tour vans tumewakatalia sasa wanajaribu kuingia na gia ya ukabila yaani Umasai na tena Lowassa alivyojirahisisha kwa Uhuru basi wanapata kichwa. Magufuli amalize zoezi la kuweka namba mifugo yetu haraka iwezekanavyo.

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  9. joto la jiweJF-Expert Member
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    Today at 12:09 AM

    Wakenya wajue wazi kwamba, katika nchi tulizopakana nazo, Msumbiji inatangulia kuwa ndugu wa karibu na Tanzania ikifuatiwa na Uganda na Zambia, huko tulimwaga damu za watanzania, hao ni ndugu zetu wa damu, pamoja na kumwaga damu Msumbiji lakini watanzania walifukuzwa kinyama kwa kufanya kazi bila kufuata sheria, Magufuli aliwakana na kusisitiza umuhimu wa kufuata sheria, huu udugu wa Kenya na Tanzania ambao Kenya wanauzungumzia kila mara ulianza lini?, Kenya na Tanzania ni majirani tu lakini sio ndugu kivileee, tunatofautiana sana kwa mambo mengi, kama wamasai au wadiga, au wakurya wanaudugi, hiyo sio tatizo, hata wamakonde, wanyakyusa, wamakua, wahaya, waha, na wayao pia wanamahusiano na walioko nchi za jirani, tukiruhusu hilo, hayo makabila yote yatavuka mpaka kuingia nchini kwa kisingizio cha udugu, kumbuka Tanzania inapakana na nchi nane.

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Today at 12:28 PM

Kwahiyo Wasomali wa Mogadishu wanaruhusiwa kuingiza ngamia zao kenya huko Garrisa? Najaribu kuuliza tu nione hapo inakuwa je.

Huyo Ole Lenku naye ni nani kumkashifu Rais wetu tena kwa lugha kama hiyo? Si kigavana tu hicho? Ashike adabu yake!
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#8
Enyewe if that's the way they want to play it they have a right to do so...the Tanzanian Maa should also stop coming over to our side.
 

kim88

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#9
Inferiority complex at play, but they have a point, the Kenya maa community should not graze their cattle across the border, the same should apply to the maa community in TZ.
Inferiority complex at play, but they have a point, the Kenya maa community should not graze their cattle across the border, the same should apply to the maa community in TZ.
you have a valid point but I like to differ we have the EAC which champions for brotherhood n sharing across the east africa. In Tz we have maa like wise in ken, we cant live in selfishness and prejudice
magufuli anafaa ambiwe hiyo ardhi sio mamake.
 

1776

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#10
Why is everyone catching a feel? It's TANZANIA! Not Kenya. There are territorial interests that need to be respected.

Now that it has happened, Kenyan Maasai should use that as a lesson and not walk their cattle there.

Their country their rules. Leave it be.
 

IsMundu

Village Elder
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"One week ago, Tanzanian authorities at the Namanga border confiscated 6,400 one day-old chicken chicks valued at Tsh12 million on allegations they had bird flu.

All the chicks were burned alive in the presence of Tanzanian police
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Alive!!!!
 
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Who said all of Nairobi was Maasai ancestral land??? Kasarani, Dagoretti and Westlands were in Central Kenya.Dagoretti to this day still resembles Kiambu to some sort .Nairobi Maasai land applies to places like Langata, the Park and the CBD maybe.
 
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Who said all of Nairobi was Maasai ancestral land??? Kasarani, Dagoretti and Westlands were in Central Kenya.Dagoretti to this day still resembles Kiambu to some sort .Nairobi Maasai land applies to places like Langata, the Park and the CBD maybe.
You should read about Agikuyu expansion. Majority of central was occupied by Maasai and dorobo prior to the expansion of the Agikuyu southwards from Mt. Kenya.
 
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You should read about Agikuyu expansion. Majority of central was occupied by Maasai and dorobo prior to the expansion of the Agikuyu southwards from Mt. Kenya.
Nope.
In the case of the Athi and Gumba, Yes, they lived in the forested parts of Central Kenya east of the Aberdares(Not West of it).The Maasai, however, did not. Unless you are talking about Nyandarua and even there, it was on the edges of the present day county, close to Nakuru.Places like Kinangop ,Kipiripiri were unhabited forestland,same to Kijabe in Kiambu.These areas only became agricultural land with European settlement.Places like Ol Kalou were actually used by the Maasai from time to time, but were not considered part of Maasailand as it was only in times of drought that the Maasai went that high up
Kikuyus did not expand from anywhere near Mount Kenya.Kikuyus expanded from Muranga, which is not very close to Mount Kenya.Mount Kenya is in Nyeri and Kirinyaga.
What is today Westlands was owned by the Athi who later either married Kikuyus or sold their land to them.Most Kiambu residents have Maasai(due to mass displacement during the Maasai clan wars.Thi salso applies to Nyeri Kikuyus who many have Uasin Gishu Clan Maasai ancestors) and Athi blood, thus are the inheritors of the lands the Athi occupied, be it in Kiambu,Nairobi and Upper Muranga.
What is today Dagoretti has always been Kikuyuland with no Athi settlements there.It is part of the Kikuyu region that stretches from Gatanga,along the Aberdares to Lari.
Waiyaki wa Hinga was from Dagoretti, remember him?
Places like Ruiru,Kahawa and Kasarani were temporarily inhabited by the Kikuyu until the smallpox epidemic of the 1870s which led to the area being emptied of people.That is why the British claimed the land was 'empty' although by the 1900s, the Kikuyu were returning to the area.
The only place I know of that Kikuyus displaced Maasai in the pre colonial era was in present day Nyahururu and Subukia, both in the Rift Valley, not Central Kenya.
 
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Nope.
In the case of the Athi and Gumba, Yes, they lived in the forested parts of Central Kenya east of the Aberdares(Not West of it).The Maasai, however, did not. Unless you are talking about Nyandarua and even there, it was on the edges of the present day county, close to Nakuru.Places like Kinangop ,Kipiripiri were unhabited forestland,same to Kijabe in Kiambu.These areas only became agricultural land with European settlement.Places like Ol Kalou were actually used by the Maasai from time to time, but were not considered part of Maasailand as it was only in times of drought that the Maasai went that high up
Kikuyus did not expand from anywhere near Mount Kenya.Kikuyus expanded from Muranga, which is not very close to Mount Kenya.Mount Kenya is in Nyeri and Kirinyaga.
What is today Westlands was owned by the Athi who later either married Kikuyus or sold their land to them.Most Kiambu residents have Maasai(due to mass displacement during the Maasai clan wars.Thi salso applies to Nyeri Kikuyus who many have Uasin Gishu Clan Maasai ancestors) and Athi blood, thus are the inheritors of the lands the Athi occupied, be it in Kiambu,Nairobi and Upper Muranga.
What is today Dagoretti has always been Kikuyuland with no Athi settlements there.It is part of the Kikuyu region that stretches from Gatanga,along the Aberdares to Lari.
Waiyaki wa Hinga was from Dagoretti, remember him?
Places like Ruiru,Kahawa and Kasarani were temporarily inhabited by the Kikuyu until the smallpox epidemic of the 1870s which led to the area being emptied of people.That is why the British claimed the land was 'empty' although by the 1900s, the Kikuyu were returning to the area.
The only place I know of that Kikuyus displaced Maasai in the pre colonial era was in present day Nyahururu and Subukia, both in the Rift Valley, not Central Kenya.
issorait. Gwitu ni lari
 

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