The Debate: Monday Evening Quarterback Analysis

This was maybe the worst presidential debate in American history.
If this was supposed to be a boxing match, it instead turned into President Trump jumping on the ropes, refusing to come down, the referee trying to coax him off, and Joe Biden standing in the middle of the ring with his gloves on and a confused look on his face.
Trump doesn’t play by anyone’s rules, even those he’s agreed to beforehand. He’s prided himself on that. But even by his standards, what Trump did Tuesday night crossed many lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f0bV3sOthw:10

More than 200,000 Americans are dead from the coronavirus pandemic. And instead of a serious debate about the direction of the country, Trump sent it off the rails. Most charitably, both former Republican Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and former Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who helped Trump prep for the debate, said he was “too hot.”

“I think the president overplayed his hand tonight,” Santorum said on CNN.

Here are six takeaways from the first Trump-Biden debate.

1. Even for Trump, he went too far

For part of the debate, Trump looked like he was controlling the stage. He interrupted constantly and tried to distract, deflect, and interject.
That’s fairly typical Trump behavior, but a few things, in particular, were egregious.
When Biden, for example, was talking about his late son Beau’s military service, Trump went in on Biden’s other son, Hunter, and brought up his past cocaine use.
It backfired. Biden, looking directly to the camera, turned something he rarely talks about into a positive, sympathetic moment.

“My son, like a lot of people you know at home, he had a drug problem,” Biden said.
“He’s overtaken it. He’s fixed it. He’s worked on it. And I’m proud of him.”

Later, when Trump was asked to denounce white supremacists and militia groups — and specifically the far-right extremist group Proud Boys — he instead said this: “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.” And then he denounced left-wing groups. (Proud Boys is now using Trump’s words as part of a new logo.)

What’s more, Trump would not urge his followers to remain peaceful as votes are counted, including if there are delays in reporting the results.
“I’m urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that’s what has to happen,” Trump said, adding,
“If it’s a fair election, I am 100% on board. If I see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, I can’t go along with that.”

2. Trump likely did nothing to expand beyond his base

Trump’s base will probably love his performance. But coming into the debate, Trump was behind in the polls. That’s no secret.
He needed to try to win back suburban and independent voters, both of whom he won in 2016 and who have largely abandoned him this cycle.
So who was this performance for exactly?
Trump repeated his “law and order” appeal to white, suburban voters and tried to force Biden to repeat the words.
But Biden didn’t take the bait and pivoted, calling for “law and order with justice where people are treated fairly.”
And Biden said this about Trump and the nature of his appeal.
“He wouldn’t know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn,” Biden said. “I was raised in the suburbs. This is not 1950.
All these dog whistles and racism don’t work anymore. Suburbs are by and large integrated.”

3. Biden missed opportunities

This was not Biden’s cleanest debate. He was not crisp, was often flummoxed — as was moderator Chris Wallace of Fox News — by Trump’s antics.
“Will you shut up, man?” said Biden while trying to make a point. He also called Trump a “clown” more than once.
Biden missed some opportunities. For example, when Trump was talking about the role of masks in preventing the spread of the coronavirus, Biden could have interjected more forcefully to talk about Trump’s largely maskless rallies. When Trump claimed his rallies caused no harm, Biden could have pointed out the spike in coronavirus cases after Trump’s Tulsa, Okla., rally.
The former vice president had some stumbles and some moments that weren’t great for him, like not answering if he would add justices to the Supreme Court — “pack the court” — if Judge Amy Coney Barrett, Trump’s nominee to succeed Ruth Bader Ginsburg, is confirmed.
That was likely overshadowed by Trump’s demeanor, but for the next debate — if there is one — Biden’s team will need to try to sharpen him up.

4. Trump tried to tie Biden to the far left, but it didn’t work

Trump tried his darndest to paint Biden as a socialist, or at least beholden to the “radical left.” But on issue after issue — “Medicare for All,” defunding the police, the Green New Deal — Biden disavowed policies the Trump campaign has tried to lasso to him.

Biden just restated his positions, and they all line up with the middle of the electorate, far more than Trump’s policy positions do.
That might have harmed Biden with the progressive left, particularly when it comes to the Green New Deal, if Trump hadn’t gone quite so Trump.

5. Trump’s response on his handling of COVID-19 was more of the same

More than 200,000 Americans have died from COVID-19, and coronavirus cases are spiking again in some parts of the country.
And yet Trump’s tactic when defending himself on his management of the pandemic was to insult Biden’s smarts.

“He panicked or just looked at the stock market, one of the two, because guess what?” Biden said.
“A lot of people died and a lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter a lot quicker.”
Trump’s response?

"Did you use the word ‘smart?’ " Trump asked rhetorically, adding, “You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class.
Don’t ever use the word ‘smart’ with me.”

Trump said he disagreed with his own experts on a vaccine timeline, insisting it would soon be widely available. But making rosy assertions to the public is exactly what got him in trouble after Bob Woodward’s latest book, Rage, revealed that Trump privately knew the virus was worse than he let on publicly.
He tried to claim Biden would have made the pandemic worse. “Two million would be dead now,” he said.
But Trump is president, and, on average, a majority of Americans say they disapprove of the job he’s doing handling the coronavirus.

6. Good luck to the next moderator

Before the debate, Wallace said his goal was to be “invisible.”
By the end, he might have wished he was. The role was no easy task, and the next presidential debate, Oct. 15, is set to be moderated by the far more mild-mannered Steve Scully of C-SPAN. After the first presidential debate of the 2004 election, Internet conspiracies abounded about a mysterious bulge in the back of President George W. Bush’s jacket. Some believed, unfoundedly, that there was a communications system rigged up by White House advisers to coach him.
Bush dismissed that, cracking wise.
“I guess the assumption was that if I were straying off course they would … kind of like a hunting dog, they would punch a buzzer, and I would jerk back into place,” Bush said afterward. Maybe something to look into.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918500976/trump-derails-first-presidential-debate-with-biden-and-5-other-takeaways

Trump is a fcking disaster …4 more years and the world will burn and we shall all die from pollution, corruption, pandemics etc. I did not bother to watch the debate; as an Independent I have decided that Trump is dangerous for the world and Biden though not a savior will return some sanity to the world. I watched the reviews and video snippets and it’s no surprise that we had a Racist In Chief.

The Affordable Care Act of 2010 aka Obamacare is the best thing that happened to the US Healthcare and some of you here are claiming to be against it since they have insurance . I remember all those millions who came to hospitals and could not have follow ups since they had no insurance; all the poor outcomes . Obama care has helped improve health outcomes and the expansion of Medicare and MedicAid has led to better population health ; this nonsense of saying Obamacare is bad since you heard and probably said by insurance companies who can’t exploit millions is nonsense.
As a practitioner of both Medicine and Public Health , I try combine the two; Medicine is only responsible for 10% of overall health , public health and other social determinants decide 90 % of your health . So whoever has time read the ACA Act or 2010 before spewing nonsense for an issue you don’t understand.

Do I like Biden? He is an alternate to Trump and a good option for America and the world . I want someone who takes public and environmental health seriously; am tired of seeing people depressed, broke, hungry and yet billionaires are paying $750 tax returns and getting richer. Am tired of wearing a mask all the time since some idiot didn’t use science and fcked the world , it going to take a decade to recover from some stupid fools voting in the genius who had business experience. Let this be a lesson to Kenyans, be careful in 2022, your vote might fcuk generations to come

@Purple word for you

Unfortunately for us kenyans the president is usually already decided. Why bother voting when you know the system has been, is, and will always be rigged?:frowning:

You did not watch the debate but you still insist in giving an analysis???

Trump won that debate hands down but the leftist media are muddying the waters to make it appear that the debate was terrible.

They are hoping to save sleepy Joe Biden from appearing in another debate where he’ll make an even bigger mockery of himself than this time.

So instead of saying that Trump won that first round of the 3 debates, the liberal media proceed and say that the debate was terrible. Typical.

Trump said that it was Obama himself who gave billionaires like hims tax credits so they could kick start the real estate industry after the recession. Was Trump supposed to ignore and refuse those tax breaks?

If you are a billionaire and the president gives you a tax break so you can build more houses in a certain state will you refuse such an opportunity?

Mind you Biden has been dishing out tax breaks for 47 years.

The Trump Organisation pays millions in taxes but that money is later returned to them as tax breaks. Who do you blame, the politician dishing out tax breaks or the billionaire?

Trump is only dangerous to Americans not the world. Trump amekuwa president for 4 years and he has not invaded any country. As a kenyan I say continue voting for Trump so that we can enjoy the comedy. :smiley:

As an African, one of the worst things that the Obama administration did was to back the regime change in Libya with devastating consequences to that country to date.

Trump has steered clear of such regime change tactics and it’s likely the US will go back to the regime change posture if the Democrats return to power.

Exactly. Previous US presidents have ruined alot of countries through coups and wars. Even though we are told Trump is evil, he atleast has avoided invading other nations.
Trump has also remained hands off when it comes to our affairs unlike the past presidents who always had an itch to poke their noses in our affairs.

Living in a soap box, for people like @Abba is a very dangerous condition. Based on all the “racist,” “controversial” things Trump has allegedly said, he should be polling at 5%. Right? Wrong. The fact that he’s neck-to-neck with Biden this late in the game should tell every immigrant/POC that whites mean business. BLM’s summer of riots is all they recall vividly in their minds and Trump is the law and order guy. This is a referendum on race and opposition to America’s changing demographics! Liberals are gonna have a heart attack in November when they see Trump win by a huuuuge landslide. Mueller and the impeachment didn’t work and some still think a puny thing called “debates” will unseat the love for Trump? Look at the energy in his massive rallies! Pandemic be damned. :smiley:

I came here that day to look for analysis especially from guys living in Trump land but couldn’t find any. I almost asked. Good one…tuskie maoni.

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Look into the mirror my dear… don’t be like those Mexicans who voted for Trump and he deported their asses to Mexico. Whites mean business? What are they going to do next? lynch some niggas? Never seen racists so emboldened with support from the president and you have the guts to fcking scream how Trump is great? Let me know how great when the KKK burns a cross on your front yard.

The US population is about 330 million. The fact that Trump has 35% of that as his racist loyal base which includes you still gives him a large noisy number of supporters. But it is not going to be enough in the long run.

Trump’s base will probably love his performance. But coming into the debate, Trump was behind in the polls. That’s no secret.
He needed to try to win back suburban and independent voters, both of whom he won in 2016 and who have largely abandoned him this cycle.
So who was this performance for exactly?

Here’s your FOX News Debate Analysis:

[SIZE=7]Why Trump blew up the debate, triggering a media backlash[/SIZE]
[SIZE=6]The former reality show star is used to commanding the stage[/SIZE]

Why Trump blew up the debate, triggering a media backlash | Fox News

Calling 115 million people racists is just insane.

Hillary called them deplorables and paid the price for her arrogance.

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The mzungu is a racist my friend; have lived with them for too long , they are fake like a 2 shilling note. The so called BLM where they fcuk have they been ? Did America just realize it has a race problem after 400 years . This is called fake awakening and using racism protests to cause an insurrection is tiring . What happens after Trump leaves ? Will they still sing Kumbaya or will they move on?
I am thinking I should move to Denmark , they claim to be happy and that’s what I need in my life .

I heard you

The purpose of the debate was for the candidates to speak directly to the American people. It’s not supposed to be a shouting match- that’s what campaigns are for. It should have been a mature discussion where everyone gets a chance to speak (uninterrupted) and sell their ideas to the population, then the opponent gets their chance to respond.
It doesn’t matter who “won” or “lost”- the elections are not over yet and that’s what matters! It was a shameful thing to watch a 70+ years old behave like an entitled 5-year old! All the major talking points are now buried underneath the uncouth behavior of an individual who decided NOT to follow the previously agreed guidelines.

This is just my opinion: Trump has created two ‘Americas’ since he took office; the USA and the BSA (bigoted).

Rudi home. Home is best

Y you guys have a problem hapo kwenu. Wacha nipambane na hali yangu mkuru kwa njenga