The Great Abortion Debate

In our ever-changing society, moral issues such as homosexuality, legalizing weed, sponsor tingz and the latest big one - abortion will always be part of the national dialogue.

Sasa jana, Medical Practioners & Dentists Board walirelease barua to the effect that Marie Stopes Kenya should stop with immediate effect ads pro-abortion and also stop doing them altogether in their clinics. Wah! Si watu wamewaka moto kwanza on Twirra.

The debate seems to be hinged on morality i.e. shouldn’t women allowed to decide what happens to their bodies vs. shouldn’t foetuses be left to mature and babies born? Imezua story eti oooh, men are irresponsible…add in the religious into the mix, then feminists and their apologists and those who hate on Dr. Ezekiel Mutua and this debate won’t end soon. Ukitaka, cheki hii hashtag #MarieStopesAbortionsBan

Personally, I think abortion is wrong and should only be allowed for medical reasons i.e. when there’s a danger to the mother or unborn kid and maybe - to a degree, a pregnancy as a result of rape. But proponents for it say that a ban by gover won’t stop women visiting quacks to terminate pregnancies.

Wewe unaona aje hii story?

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I support your view " abortion is wrong and should only be allowed for medical reasons "… Ni hayo tu

Abortion is only right if the woman was raped otherwise she knew exactly what she was doing when she spread her legs for that furk.

When are women going to start taking responsibility for their actions.

I am not saying that men are blame-free lakini wanawake wamezidi na accusations zao.

Vile villager chizzy alisema hapo juu

Shida ni Marie Stopes has a very old relationship with the powers that be. That relationship has recently began to receive a lot of financial input.

I also read recently that Marie Stopes herself was a known eugenics (selective breeding of the human race to ‘eliminate undesirable qualities’ ) proponent aka she supports removal of races that aren’t white. Wtf. How do you have someone like that in bed with government conducting abortions using mobile clinics? Yaani kill the babies wherever they are? We are a MAD nation running a MAD system.

Abortion is murder

I’m against late term or post viability abortions, which is an abortion on a fetus older than 23 weeks. That said, banning Marie Stopes will put more women in harms way because quacks like Mugo wa Wairimu will rush to fill in the gap!!

Backstreet abortions are very dangerous to women’s lives. They occur in dingy, filthy rooms with no standards for hygiene. It’s not uncommon for women to wake up in extremis from excessive bleeding or sepsis. The lucky ones get to a hospital at the nick of time, the rest will either die or become barren forever.

By the time a woman is procuring an abortion, it’s too late to save her. She is unstoppable in her efforts to terminate the pregnancy. Hence the government should spend more resources preventing unwanted pregnancies through counseling programs and contraceptives.

mwanamke akitaka kutoa ball itatoka tu. Either aifanyie kwa nyuma na wire ya hanger, ameze mafuta taa], chloroquin overdose, au aende kwa mugo wa wairimu, Lakini ball atatoa tu, personally i would rather she goes to a professional to have it done than kutolea juu ya sewage kwa mugo wa wairimu akidinywa at the same time

I know there’s heat of the moment situation but people please, decent enough condoms ni 50/- for a sachet of three and free zile za gover.
Condomize tafazali

I was,about to ask which politicians? Because that is a high level thing the guts with which they are advertising on classic FM every ten minutes.

Sidhani ni Gathecha juu ni Catholic. Ni Ruto?Ama Raila?

Kuna mtu ameamua population ikuwe reduced.

@Fieldmarshall must be jerking off with glee and happiness that babies are being murdered willy nilly.

If marie stoppes was not stopped during the rule of a staunch ACK (or was is AIC?) socially conservative former school teacher from Kabartonjo how would they expect ity to stop now? I personally believe there should be an option for safe abortion if needed. Those who are going to abort will abort regardless of any third party’s social or religious beliefs.

huyo hata alikuwa worse. it is rumoured that he had his own brand of eugenics: depopulating Nyanza and other enemy communities.

It was during his era that kiuks fell in love with the bottle. Nao wajaka juu wanapenda utombi…

Not proven though.

We need to evaluate the effects of prohibition - does criminalizing it affect the number of incidents of people procuring abortion? Does it increase the cases of dangerous backstreet abortions? If yes, then we need to rethink it.

It is time we stopped hiding behind fake morality and think about the health and well being of people.

Anyone living in the United States in the early 1990s and paying even a whisper of attention to the nightly news or a daily paper could be forgiven for having been scared out of his skin.

The culprit was crime. It had been rising relentlessly—a graph plotting the crime rate in any American city over recent decades looked like a ski slope in profile—and it seemed now to herald the end of the world as we knew it. Death by gunfire, intentional and otherwise, had become commonplace. So too had carjacking and crack dealing, robbery and rape. Violent crime was a gruesome, constant companion. And things were about to get even worse. Much worse. All the experts were saying so.

The cause was the so-called superpredator. For a time, he was everywhere. Glowering from the cover of newsweeklies. Swaggering his way through foot-thick government reports. He was a scrawny, big-city teenager with a cheap gun in his hand and nothing in his heart but ruthlessness. There were thousands out there just like him, we were told, a generation of killers about to hurl the country into deepest chaos.

In 1995 the criminologist James Alan Fox wrote a report for the U.S. attorney general that grimly detailed the coming spike in murders by teenagers. Fox proposed optimistic and pessimistic scenarios. In the optimistic scenario, he believed, the rate of teen homicides would rise another 15 percent over the next decade; in the pessimistic scenario, it would more than double. “The next crime wave will get so bad,” he said, “that it will make 1995 look like the good old days.”

Other criminologists, political scientists, and similarly learned forecasters laid out the same horrible future, as did President Clinton. “We know we’ve got about six years to turn this juvenile crime thing around,” Clinton said, “or our country is going to be living with chaos. And my successors will not be giving speeches about the wonderful opportunities of the global economy; they’ll be trying to keep body and soul together for people on the streets of these cities.” The smart money was plainly on the criminals.

And then, instead of going up and up and up, crime began to fall. And fall and fall and fall some more. The crime drop was startling in several respects. It was ubiquitous, with every category of crime falling in every part of the country. It was persistent, with incremental decreases year after year. And it was entirely unanticipated—especially by the very experts who had been predicting the opposite.

The magnitude of the reversal was astounding. The teenage murder rate, instead of rising 100 percent or even 15 percent as James Alan Fox had warned, fell more than 50 percent within five years. By 2000 the overall murder rate in the United States had dropped to its lowest level in thirty-five years. So had the rate of just about every other sort of crime, from assault to car theft.

Even though the experts had failed to anticipate the crime drop—which was in fact well under way even as they made their horrifying predictions—they now hurried to explain it. Most of their theories sounded perfectly logical. It was the roaring 1990s economy, they said, that helped turn back crime. It was the proliferation of gun control laws, they said. It was the sort of innovative policing strategies put into place in New York City, where murders would fall from 2,262 in 1990 to 540 in 2005.

These theories were not only logical; they were also encouraging, for they attributed the crime drop to specific and recent human initiatives. If it was gun control and clever police strategies and better-paying jobs that quelled crime—well then, the power to stop criminals had been within our reach all along. As it would be the next time, God forbid, that crime got so bad.

These theories made their way, seemingly without friction, from the experts’ mouths to journalists’ ears to the public’s mind. In short course, they became conventional wisdom.

There was only one problem: they weren’t true.

There was another factor, meanwhile, that had greatly contributed to the massive crime drop of the 1990s. It had taken shape more than twenty years earlier and concerned a young woman in Dallas named Norma McCorvey.

Like the proverbial butterfly that flaps its wings on one continent and eventually causes a hurricane on another, Norma McCorvey dramatically altered the course of events without intending to. All she had wanted was an abortion. She was a poor, uneducated, unskilled, alcoholic, drug-using twenty-one-year-old woman who had already given up two children for adoption and now, in 1970, found herself pregnant again. But in Texas, as in all but a few states at that time, abortion was illegal. McCorvey’s cause came to be adopted by people far more powerful than she. They made her the lead plaintiff in a class-action lawsuit seeking to legalize abortion. The defendant was Henry Wade, the Dallas County district attorney. The case ultimately made it to the U.S. Supreme Court, by which time McCorvey’s name had been disguised as Jane Roe. On January 22, 1973, the court ruled in favor of Ms. Roe, allowing legalized abortion throughout the United States. By this time, of course, it was far too late for Ms. McCorvey/Roe to have her abortion. She had given birth and put the child up for adoption. (Years later she would renounce her allegiance to legalized abortion and become a pro-life activist.)

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As far as crime is concerned, it turns out that not all children are born equal. Not even close. Decades of studies have shown that a child born into an adverse family environment is far more likely than other children to become a criminal. And the millions of women most likely to have an abortion in the wake of Roe v. Wade—poor, unmarried, and teenage mothers for whom illegal abortions had been too expensive or too hard to get—were often models of adversity. They were the very women whose children, if born, would have been much more likely than average to become criminals. But because of Roe v. Wade, these children weren’t being born. This powerful cause would have a drastic, distant effect: years later, just as these unborn children would have entered their criminal primes, the rate of crime began to plummet.

It wasn’t gun control or a strong economy or new police strategies that finally blunted the American crime wave. It was, among other factors, the reality that the pool of potential criminals had dramatically shrunk.

Now, as the crime-drop experts (the former crime doomsayers) spun their theories to the media, how many times did they cite legalized abortion as a cause?

Zero.
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Interesting to note this well fed gentleman was the country director for Marie Stopes Kenya. He joined in 1993 and left in 2010 to enter politics.

Around 1993 ndio AIDS ilikuwa inaua kuua.

Also Marie Stopes herself was against arbotion prefering pregnancy prevention instead.

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Admin una support or protest against abortion?

Georgina Makena tried to convince me of the virtues of abortion with this crime reduction issue in the U.S.

I think it’s just another govt. short cut.

Just like the shortcut being used today to kill young black men in the Kenyan slums.

Instead of addressing the problem they just gun them down. A bullet is much cheaper than building a basketball court or a social hall or a factory.

And I wonder, will they kill them all…

Even if you ban abortion and make it a capital crime, if a woman does not want a kid and has means and desire to abort, itatolewa tu but huko kwa vichorochoro.
i support abortion if the woman does not desire to carry the pregnancy. it’s her body anyway. If you ask many women they feel the same way.

Marie Stopes is doing safe abortions to women who want it. Curbing their work will give kina Dr Mugo and other quack doctors leeway to perform unsafe and expensive abortions.

Abortion is painful but sex ni shama theri abortion should be alowed for medical reasons only ni hayo tu wacha niendele kutafuta watoto :slight_smile:

what drives her to arbort? can it be addressed?

I laud the Kenyan govt. for letting them take their national exams while heavy with child. That’s a positive.