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The new fuel prices and the new reality

patco

Village Sponsor
#21
Tusijidanganye. The oil under Kenyan soil can last eternity, but refining that oil has consequences worse than those of sabotaging River Nile. In geography class we were taught Kenya has only a couple of minerals--flouspar and some other powders. How oil and coal miraculously emerged is anyone's guess.

Ati train Turkanas. How long will it take the govt to train 20+ years old men whose only life ambition is to herd a bunch of emaciated cattle?

Use that money to build nuclear weapons. Then we can build and protect what we can call ours.
Akina rockerfeller wakianzisha standard oil walikuwa wamesoma? They were very very poor illiterate pastrolists and farmers just like the Turkanas. Walikuwa wanachimba mafuta na picks and shovels and rudimentary timber. Tafuta movie inaitwa THERE WILL BE BLOOD to get an idea.

Kuambiwa spanner inashikwa hivi, lorry inaendeshwa hivi... hivo tu? the oil industry in fact employs red necks all over the globe. Class 2 drop outs even in Texas and Alaska.

Unajua waKenya tunapenda ku complicate. And the leaders love it. They use it as a cover to misdirect the public. "Its too expensive labda tulete international investor."

The buildings in Nairobi were built by illiterate Indians and African natives. Even Dubai right now is being built by Sri lankans and Bangladeshi who scarcely know how to read and write.

Mturkana hata ako mbele sana anajua kiswahili. The Arabs who today run Aramco were similarly desert dwelling pastoralists half a century ago.
 

adapter

Village Elder
#22
Ati train Turkanas. How long will it take the govt to train 20+ years old men whose only life ambition is to herd a bunch of emaciated cattle?

Use that money to build nuclear weapons. Then we can build and protect what we can call ours
A very good example of what I mentioned earlier, just because they are from Turkana you automatically assume that they are all illeterate to a point where they cannot even drive trucks.

Nuclear bombs to protect us from what enemy!? huh! the only country that has ever attempted to invade Kenya was Uganda during Idi Amin's time and recently took Migingo unoppossed because that place "doesn't matter". I again I ask protect ourselves from what enemy? The only enemy we have is from within, who is also bringing in the Chinese to oppress us in our home turf.
 

Simiyu22

Village Elder
#23
kuna Turkana mmoja aliletwa kwa news juzi sijui kama mliona: "Bila 5% siwezi itikisha hio lorry ipite, haipiti! Haitatoka. Sisi ndio tasema! Mafuta ni yetu , sisi ndio tasema!"


What is my point? My point is si hio mafuta si angesaidia pakubwa sana sana! Just put up a refinery in Turkana where the Turkana are and where the oil is!
A MODERN, EFFICIENT refinery!



But of course kenyatalk govt. spokesman atasema refinery ni expensive sijui the oil is too little to deserve a refinery but unashindwa how is it too expensive whereas you want to build a billion dollar dirty coal plant! You are currently building a railway to nowhere that costs billions of dollars. One refinery ndio imekuwa expensive?
As of this point, we do not have commercial quantities of oil yet. It does not make sense to build a refinery, now. Later yes.
 

patco

Village Sponsor
#24
@patco, my guy uko na points kibao za maana hadi zimejaa kikapu. However with this very brilliant suggestion umeona likes ngapi from villagers? what I'm trying to say is that even though we pretend to be progressive (the working class "middle class") we are full of tribalisim and backwardness, I mean this is exactly like the Naivasha port issue, why not machakos, samburu e.t.c and heck what is wrong with leaving things in Mombasa!? The reason they don't want to build a refinery in Turkana is because the locals "don't deserve it & aren't Kenyan enough" according to their standards that's why.
The owners of Kenya "those old billionaires" control and decide on everything, who gets what and when and just remembering what the dead Kenyatta said... "Raia akishiba sana hata tii amri"... you realize that there is no logical reason to inflate electricity and fuel prices, none whatsoever not even for building roads because it's already catered for by the fuel levy. Why is the government increasing tax on imported mitumba cars at a time when more cars are being bought every month than before? Is this not progress for car dealers, petrol stations, car washes and even mechanics? they have even propsed to limit the importation to cars that are less than 5 years old. Increase of fuel and electricty prices is crucial though because it will cause a ripple effect on the price of everything thus affecting the working class and the unemployed hence keeping you in the rat race.
Wanaitwa status quo elements. To keep the SUBjects SUBservient and their rulers relevant. Deep stuff. Hata jua na wind tuko nayo kwa wingi lakini ng'o... mtumie stima ya bure kiaje???! How?

Coal plant followed by the most expensive nuclear plant staffed by the most expensive foreign workers on earth!

And yet, the world is rife with examples of people who don't want the STATUS QUO any more. Ukienda pale U.S. superpower the people,were VERY tired of typical democrats and republicans. They wanted a Che Guevarra, a Sankara... a man pulled away from the murderous crazy George Bush. They wanted an ALTERNATIVE LEFT, and they chose a young, 'unspoilt', charismatic, African boy going by the name Obama. Kidogo kidogo kumbe nugu inajua drone ni nini? The betrayal. Kumbe the CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN talk was just that : mere talk?!

Wakaangalia the opposite side, the ALTERNATIVE RIGHT and not the conservative murderous Jeb Bush. Wakaona billionaire fulani hapo inafuata hadi ma conspiracy theorists. A true disrupter of the status quo. Huyu hata hajali, anasalimia hadi North Korea. Hataki kujua saying things people think but can't say. f**k you U.N. f**k you theiving NATO...

Na akishindwa the U.S. is willing to go even crazier with the likes of the tea party. Hata Kenya ni time tu. Status quo hapa Kenya bado hawaja jua ati voters worldwide hawatambui heritage siku hizi. Watashangaa kuona nobody fulani ikiingia state house on a campaign of cheap electricity and fuel.
 
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Deorro

Guest
#25
Akina rockerfeller wakianzisha standard oil walikuwa wamesoma? They were very very poor illiterate pastrolists and farmers just like the Turkanas. Walikuwa wanachimba mafuta na picks and shovels and rudimentary timber. Tafuta movie inaitwa THERE WILL BE BLOOD to get an idea.

Kuambiwa spanner inashikwa hivi, lorry inaendeshwa hivi... hivo tu? the oil industry in fact employs red necks all over the globe. Class 2 drop outs even in Texas and Alaska.

Unajua waKenya tunapenda ku complicate. And the leaders love it. They use it as a cover to misdirect the public. "Its too expensive labda tulete international investor."

The buildings in Nairobi were built by illiterate Indians and African natives. Even Dubai right now is being built by Sri lankans and Bangladeshi who scarcely know how to read and write.

Mturkana hata ako mbele sana anajua kiswahili. The Arabs who today run Aramco were similarly desert dwelling pastoralists half a century ago.

oya @introvert @byro @shocks @Randy illiterate guys too can design and build buildings?

if illiterate guys can do all these, why do we train architects and engineers?
 

adapter

Village Elder
#27
Wanaitwa status quo elements. To keep the SUBjects SUBservient and their rulers relevant. Deep stuff. Hata jua na wind tuko nayo kwa wingi lakini ng'o... mtumie stima ya bure kiaje???! How?

Coal plant followed by the most expensive nuclear plant staffed by the most expensive foreign workers on earth!

And yet, the world is rife with examples of people who don't want the STATUS QUO any more. Ukienda pale U.S. superpower the people,were VERY tired of typical democrats and republicans. They wanted a Che Guevarra, a Sankara... a man pulled away from the murderous crazy George Bush. They wanted an ALTERNATIVE LEFT, and they chose a young, 'unspoilt', charismatic, African boy going by the name Obama. Kidogo kidogo kumbe nugu inajua drone ni nini? The betrayal. Kumbe the CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN talk was just that : mere talk?!

Wakaangalia the opposite side, the ALTERNATIVE RIGHT and not the conservative murderous Jeb Bush. Wakaona billionaire fulani hapo inafuata hadi ma conspiracy theorists. A true disrupter of the status quo. Huyu hata hajali, anasalimia hadi North Korea. Hataki kujua saying things people think but can't say. f**k you U.N. f**k you theiving NATO...

Na akishindwa the U.S. is willing to go even crazier with the likes of the tea party. Hata Kenya ni time tu. Status quo hapa Kenya bado hawaja jua ati voters worldwide hawatambui heritage siku hizi. Watashangaa kuona nobody fulani ikiingia state house on a campaign of cheap electricity and fuel.
Very true, at this point we need nobodies if we are to move forward. First water and energy sector should be open for any investor who can build infrastructure as long as he pays taxes and he passes in quality.

My friend utaona kila mtu akichukua share yake, dams na boreholes zitakuwa kwa wingi solar na windmills zitakuwa kila place viable unlike now ministry of water wanatubeba ufala mvua kibao lakini piped water ni shida, imagine jamaa wa isiolo wakisupply stima to thika na jamaa wa thika wakisupply maji isiolo... a country of abundance with no one suffering.
 

patco

Village Sponsor
#28
As of this point, we do not have commercial quantities of oil yet. It does not make sense to build a refinery, now. Later yes.
Why later? Why not now? Huoni hapo haumake sense.

Museveni na ni mzee na hata hajui digital ni nini, kwa nini anajenga refinery? Ya nini?

Na anaringa siku hizi juu anajua we will go begging to use, then buy oil from him. Like the sugar we buy from him. Or the numerous other commodities we now buy from our neighbors. Unaskia hadi mayai tunatoa Ug na TZ na sijui wapi? Wanatupita tu pole pole na hii corruption yetu na kutofanya vitu zitasaidia maskini directly.

If you were to invest in Turkana... who knows, Turkana could change Kenya. But like adapter said, hao wajinga weusi wacha wakae hivo kwanza. Ma dunderheads...

Ngoja uone dunderhead akichukua fe vile anakuwaga mjinga zaidi.
 

Simiyu22

Village Elder
#31
Why later? Why not now? Huoni hapo haumake sense.

Museveni na ni mzee na hata hajui digital ni nini, kwa nini anajenga refinery? Ya nini?

Na anaringa siku hizi juu anajua we will go begging to use, then buy oil from him. Like the sugar we buy from him. Or the numerous other commodities we now buy from our neighbors. Unaskia hadi mayai tunatoa Ug na TZ na sijui wapi? Wanatupita tu pole pole na hii corruption yetu na kutofanya vitu zitasaidia maskini directly.

If you were to invest in Turkana... who knows, Turkana could change Kenya. But like adapter said, hao wajinga weusi wacha wakae hivo kwanza. Ma dunderheads...

Ngoja uone dunderhead akichukua fe vile anakuwaga mjinga zaidi.
$5-15B is the cost of a new oil refinery. Thats about ksh 500 billion minimum. Who is funding?
 
#32
kuna Turkana mmoja aliletwa kwa news juzi sijui kama mliona: "Bila 5% siwezi itikisha hio lorry ipite, haipiti! Haitatoka. Sisi ndio tasema! Mafuta ni yetu , sisi ndio tasema!"

Mliona? Mliskia?

@MortyTuumbo over to you. Wacha nione ni magic ama wizardry gani hio Gathecha atatumia ambayo Nigeria na Sudan hawajawaitumia to placate the owners of the oil. Na msisahau these are the same Turkanas who in 2012 in Baragoi turned a whole A.P. detachment to vulture food just using a few ancient kalshnikovs.

What is my point? My point is si hio mafuta si angesaidia pakubwa sana sana! Just put up a refinery in Turkana where the Turkana are and where the oil is!
A MODERN, EFFICIENT refinery!

And train and employ these Turkanas together with other Kenyans! Hata wao wajihisi waKenya for once. FOR ONCE!!

If a Turkana finds himself drivingatruck carryning refined petrol product from his county to a Shell station in Nairobi city center atawasumbua na nini tena?!! Ni nini ingine atataka kutoka kwako Gathecha?! Nini?

But of course kenyatalk govt. spokesman atasema refinery ni expensive sijui the oil is too little to deserve a refinery but unashindwa how is it too expensive whereas you want to build a billion dollar dirty coal plant! You are currently building a railway to nowhere that costs billions of dollars. One refinery ndio imekuwa expensive?

And this is an efficient refinery built with modern technology not the monster Kenyatta built in the 70s in Mombasa. Na kama Turkana oil itadidimia si you just sub-contract refinery services to South Sudan or Uganda. They are right next door to Turkana!
I think I explained why we,on our own cannot build a refinery.
Egos prevent a joint refinery which would be more viable
 

patco

Village Sponsor
#33
Very true, at this point we need nobodies if we are to move forward. First water and energy sector should be open for any investor who can build infrastructure as long as he pays taxes and he passes in quality.

My friend utaona kila mtu akichukua share yake, dams na boreholes zitakuwa kwa wingi solar na windmills zitakuwa kila place viable unlike now ministry of water wanatubeba ufala mvua kibao lakini piped water ni shida, imagine jamaa wa isiolo wakisupply stima to thika na jamaa wa thika wakisupply maji isiolo... a country of abundance with no one suffering.
hehe very dangerous talk there. You are talking of changing Kenya overnight into a prosperous middle class or even first world state. Kura zitatoka wapi if you don't have hungry mouths?

Mimi juzi nili propose aggressive uptake of air transport yaani tukuwe hata na situation where those kids in Makueni could easily have hopped on an affordable flight to Mombasa and back... but unaskia watu hapa hapana, air is wrong, its too this and too that... We are not ready!!

Look at our hotels. Hata sio zetu ni za wazungu! Unaskia Uhuru mwenyewe the president of the country akisema ati hakuna tourists...

Hadi anaenda majuu kuwatafuta!!

Nashindwa kwani sisi nyeuthi, nywele ngumu Bwana Gathecha hauwezi lipisha bei nafuu tukae kwa hoteli zako???

Hatutoshi mboga? Tutachafua vitanda ama nini? Tukija wengi hauta make profit?

Ukilipisha tu vile ordinary American analala hoteli za kwao... mtu wa Murang'a na Kayole angalau alale Maasai Mara aone simba kama mzungu tu. Afurahi siku moja aende nyumbani...

HAPANA,WATAMEA PEMBE!!

Na ati nchi ni yao. Mtu wa Kawangware atalala Maasai Mara na Voyager siku gani? Sasa huko Malindi hata beach imekuwa ya mzungu na wadosi. Motherfuckers are grabbing even God's green earth!

Sio pombe hamtaki ordinary Kenyans wajitengenezee yao. What would be so wrong with a busaa woman competing with your EABL? Bottled busaa. You lock everyone out of the industries. Sio changaa sio muratina... zote ni chafu.

What would be so hard with starting a Kenyan car manufacturer with JKUAT engineers wajenge pole pole with govt. support hadi wafikie Nissan siku moja?

Ati hapana lazima niwaletee Volkswagen kutoka Germany. I have connections there. Why can't we make cars to suit Kenyan needs?

Hadi hospitali. Kama huna pesa kama Safaricom CEO, kufa!! Kenyans live like foreigners in their own country. Hadi tume accept building a refinery is not for us, it's a preserve of "the others"...

Status quo ni wanoma I say. Baba ya Raila alisema. Gama pinto na J.M. pia walijaribu kusema.
 
#34
The new fuel prices are about to hit us, followed by tough times ahead
I was telling my close friends, when the govt goes around dishing out "development" funds all over the country to villagers without looking at how
it will increase production,create employment and hence increase the tax base, kuna watu wataumia..and the usual suspects are the working class in Kenya, - people on formal payrolls, teachers, doctors,, etc.. after that the govt will focus on increasing taxes for common goods like fuel and such..and as usual the culprits are the same...the formal working class...(who for some reason call themselves the middle class)

We have overburdened the same tax payers with taxes without an attempt to widen the tax base...

The masses in the country who are not in formal employment and don't pay taxes from their income are the ones who put these leaders in power, it's the same crowd that will vote in corrupt leaders and then when you try reason with them they ask "kwani ni pesa yako inaibiwa".

The leaders know the working class in this country don't have the guts to protest effectively, they will just use hashtags and facebook posts and when the next big breaking news come,they just forget and move on.

Have you ever realized the problems that affect the slum-dwellers and the un-employed directly eg prices of unga are solved immediately??? why ? because this crowd is the one that participates in rallies and political processes, the rest of the "middle class" is too classy to get dirty, or even be seen complaining about prices lest they are seen
to be poor or struggling.

THE WORKING CLASS IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE THE POWER AND MEANS TO CHANGE THE GOVT OR INFLUENCE IT, THEY JUST LACK GUTS....
Example..if all people driving to work just switched off their vehicles at an agreed time like 8am on the roads to protest fuel prices,something would be done....

in summary
We need leaders to put our tax money where production will be boosted and jobs created.
Middle class ya wapi. Kama only 2-3% of employed Kenyans earn above 100k, hawo ndio unaita middle class? I'll say and I'll say it again, we need a discriminatory election system.
However much you try to twist it, the majority of the voters who decide a vote are mindless dolts and will always be so in a country governed like Kenya.

To remedy that, we need to change election laws to suit a highly selective electoral college. If you have to vote, then you must well be damn sure how your decision affects the country economically, socially and politically. Everyone involved has to go through a thorough vetting process. Kama huwezani, kaa kando na usiseme unaonewa.
 

adapter

Village Elder
#37
What would be so hard with starting a Kenyan car manufacturer with JKUAT engineers wajenge pole pole with govt. support hadi wafikie Nissan siku moja?
Kuna wakati Joho akiwa gavana mpya (first term) alikataanga serikali ipeane tender kwa wa China ya V.O.K - beach road link. It was a big issue coz he asked hao engineering student wa T.U.M (Msa Poly at that time kwani wanashindwa nini? na wanasoma hio miaka yote?) long story short the tender was given to local indians (capacity) with conditions to employee the T.U.M engineers and locals needless to say hio pesa yote ilibaki Msa. The road till this day haina hata shimo, of course this is one of those rare examples but still,,, kila mkenya angepewa chance ya kuchukua share yake tungekuwa mbali. Then again in the rat race is where they want us to stay.
 

adapter

Village Elder
#38
As of this point, we do not have commercial quantities of oil yet. It does not make sense to build a refinery, now. Later yes.
If it's about quantities then some of that oil to be piped from Sudan kusini to Lamu port should diverted to the Turkana refinery even if it's just enough for local consumption.
 

R_Silver

Village Elder
#40
If it's about quantities then some of that oil to be piped from Sudan kusini to Lamu port should diverted to the Turkana refinery even if it's just enough for local consumption.
Divert their oil to process as our own? Are you suggesting we steal foreign oil?
 

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