Who is Punished for Sins?

Shemeji_x

Village Elder
#1
Ezekiel 18:20: The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.
The penalty of sin is placed upon only the sinner, not the offspring.

Exodus 20:5: I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
The penalty of sin affects generations.
 
#5
hao watu waliwapatia riddles zenye hamtawahi pata jibu kama zile demands za waganga. it doesnt have to be true and there doesnt have to be an answer.
Its like can god make a stone he cannot lift? can he make square circles?
 
#6
No one. because Jesus died for all our sins so we all go to heaven regardless.
si ndiyo @Liberty ?
Naam. Very true. That was in the old testament but since Jesus came, he overturned everything, you do penance and you are forgiven. The person who commit sin will be judged and not the offspring.

hata mimi hapo huchanganyikiwa...
Please don't. No curse is passed on to the offspring and generations. Remember even in the African culture used to believe and still believes as such, but if you believe in Jesus Christ, who died for our sins, we are all cleansed.

@kyuktothecore come running!!!
OT has soooo many inconsistencies that a priest told me quietly to 'forget about it for now'.
Which priest? Are you RC?
 
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#8
Well in! @pseudonym our pastor has said its ok for me to smash since im going to heaven anyway. So? I pick you outside java, mama ngina st at around 4pm?
I think you misunderstood me, and I have edited. I meant, the person who sins will be judged for his/her own deeds, not the offspring or the generation. But with penance, you are forgiven.
 

Dereva

Village Elder
#12
Naam. Very true. That was in the old testament but since Jesus came, he overturned everything, you do penance and you are forgiven. The person who commit sin will be judged and not the offspring.



Please don't. No curse is passed on to the offspring and generations. Remember even in the African culture used to believe and still believes as such, but if you believe in Jesus Christ, who died for our sins, we are all cleansed.



Which priest? Are you RC?
Then why not expunge the OT, because to me it seems OT is creating a lot of confusion
 

mayekeke

Village Elder
#17
Then why not expunge the OT, because to me it seems OT is creating a lot of confusion
OT and NT were written by men, any work done by the hand of man is bound to be full of inconsistencies and errors. That being said whoever commits the sin gets punished for it kila mtu ataubeba msalaba wake.

@kyuktothecore come running!!!
OT has soooo many inconsistencies that a priest told me quietly to 'forget about it for now'.
When I was a Christian, I asked not one but 5 different pastors about these glaring inconsistencies, I cheat you not, the answer they all gave was the same "JUST BELIEVE"!!! Msishangae mkiitwa Kondoo.
 

1776

Village Sponsor
#18
OT and NT were written by men, any work done by the hand of man is bound to be full of inconsistencies and errors. That being said whoever commits the sin gets punished for it kila mtu ataubeba msalaba wake.


When I was a Christian, I asked not one but 5 different pastors about these glaring inconsistencies, I cheat you not, the answer they all gave was the same "JUST BELIEVE"!!! Msishangae mkiitwa Kondoo.
Ehe, and the Quran was written by who? Tell us.
 

mayekeke

Village Elder
#19
Ehe, and the Quran was written by who? Tell us.
Yes, written by the hand of man immediately Angel Gabriel recited them to Prophet Muhammad, I'll go ahead and name some of them

-Ali ibn Abi Talib
-Uthman ibn Affan
-Amr ibn Al-As,
-Mu'awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan
-Shurahbil ibn Hasanah
-Abdullah ibn Sa'd ibn Abi Sarh

The above were just scribes, they wrote what Prophet Muhammad recited to them, it's a known fact that he couldn't read or write and up to date, the content of the Qur'an is the same to the dot as it was when it was transcribed over 1400 years ago.

A Muslim can tell you exactly when any particular verse of the Qur'an was revealed, can't say that about any other religious text, can we??

"Or do they say [about the Prophet], "He invented it?" Say, "Then bring forth a surah like it and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah, if you should be truthful." Qur'an (10:38)
 

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