Why has God refused to kill Satan?

messiahette

messiahette

Village Elder
#41
#41
Because God is subject to His laws, you see even He cannot violate His own laws. Sure, he can violate the law of gravity or Newton’s laws of motion. But there are other laws, laws of sin, punishment for sin, the laws of grace and mercy. Those ones He will not violate or else He cannot simultaneously call himself Good, Just, Merciful etc.
 
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Libra12

Senior Villager
#44
#44
Stormtrooper98 said:
God does not like or tolerate evil-doers. This was made clear in Noah's Great Flood story when evil-doers including even innocent animals were mercilessly exterminated. For those who thought it was a one of thing, the Sodom and Gomorrah annihilation was a swift and brutal reminder that God does not tolerate evil. So why has Satan continued to receive a free pass when he is the father of all evil? @Jimjones @patco bring your excuses on why evil Satan has been allowed to live when evil humans have been promptly decimated.
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Well, we know that one day, God will put and end to satan by throwing him into a lake of fire and brimstone (Rev 20:10- and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.) So inevitably Satan will be done away with. My best conclusion of why God still does allow Satan to run wild is threefold:
1. God is absolutely sovereign over all creation, and this includes Satan. We know Satan and his minions are quite strong and they do wreck havoc but, they are only allowed a certain amount of freedom. We also know that God has planned everything from the beginning of time to the end. Nothing can thwart His plans, and things are proceeding exactly on schedule. (Isaiah 14:24- The LORD of hosts has sworn: ‘As I have planned, so shall it be, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand)
2. We know this All things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His (God's) purpose. All the havoc the Satan has caused and will continue causing until the day set by God for his punishment, is working for God's glory. A perfect example, Job. Satan was bent on punishing Job and God allowed it, why? Look at how the story ends, God is glorified through that. Look at Jesus, He was crushed by the plans of Satan and sent to the cross. But God used that, and now the cross is a symbol of our death to sin, the grave our resurrection to life. So inevitably, Satan's rebellion serves God's purposes. So Satan's chaos cannot be used as an example to show that he overpowers God.
 
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Libra12

Senior Villager
#45
#45
Christ the King said:
Stop trying to understand God's ways, you will not comprehend His ways. Utaambiwa mara ngapi
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In as much as this is true, we cannot use this as a response to every theological discussion. That's ignorance and lack of basic research and studying the bible. There is much already revealed and it's your duty as a Christian to be a theologian, study the scriptures as in 1Peter 3:5 (But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.)
I usually find this as an excuse most of us Christians use to explain basic theological facts. Lets be as the bereans
 
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Libra12

Senior Villager
#48
#48
MojaOne said:
Everything in life is a balance. There would be no good if there’s no bad. There would be no death if there’s no life. There would be no joy if there’s no sadness. Nothing would be holy if nothing is evil. There would be no God if there’s no Satan.
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Your analysis does put God on the same foothold as Satan. Secondly, there is no balance in this world. It's inclined toward one side.
 
MojaOne

MojaOne

Senior Villager
#49
#49
Libra12 said:
Your analysis does put God on the same foothold as Satan. Secondly, there is no balance in this world. It's inclined toward one side.
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I stand by what I’ve said, your interpretation of it is your own. Search carefully and ponder on the enigmatic relationship between Yahweh and Satan. While at it, learn more about the creation and in particular about predestination.
I can point you in the right direction by prompting you to answer why you think in the book of Job, Satan was present in a counsel in Heaven when the angels were giving their reports and he was also asked what has been up to.. We have been taught that Satan was cast out of heaven forever and awaits judgement and that He and Yahweh are arch enemies, right?

And yes, EVERYTHING in this realm has a balance.
 
Stormtrooper98

Stormtrooper98

Village Elder
#51
#51
Libra12 said:
Well, we know that one day, God will put and end to satan by throwing him into a lake of fire and brimstone (Rev 20:10- and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.) So inevitably Satan will be done away with. My best conclusion of why God still does allow Satan to run wild is threefold:
1. God is absolutely sovereign over all creation, and this includes Satan. We know Satan and his minions are quite strong and they do wreck havoc but, they are only allowed a certain amount of freedom. We also know that God has planned everything from the beginning of time to the end. Nothing can thwart His plans, and things are proceeding exactly on schedule. (Isaiah 14:24- The LORD of hosts has sworn: ‘As I have planned, so shall it be, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand)
2. We know this All things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His (God's) purpose. All the havoc the Satan has caused and will continue causing until the day set by God for his punishment, is working for God's glory. A perfect example, Job. Satan was bent on punishing Job and God allowed it, why? Look at how the story ends, God is glorified through that. Look at Jesus, He was crushed by the plans of Satan and sent to the cross. But God used that, and now the cross is a symbol of our death to sin, the grave our resurrection to life. So inevitably, Satan's rebellion serves God's purposes. So Satan's chaos cannot be used as an example to show that he overpowers God.
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So Job lost his family so that God could be glorified? Do you realize how messed up that sounds! God is supposed to be perfect, so why does God need to have his ego constantly soothed?
 
Stormtrooper98

Stormtrooper98

Village Elder
#52
#52
messiahette said:
Because God is subject to His laws, you see even He cannot violate His own laws. Sure, he can violate the law of gravity or Newton’s laws of motion. But there are other laws, laws of sin, punishment for sin, the laws of grace and mercy. Those ones He will not violate or else He cannot simultaneously call himself Good, Just, Merciful etc.
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So punishing humans does not violate the laws of grace or mercy but punishing Satan violates the said laws?
 
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Libra12

Senior Villager
#53
#53
Stormtrooper98 said:
So Job lost his family so that God could be glorified? Do you realize how messed up that sounds! God is supposed to be perfect, so why does God need to have his ego constantly soothed?
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Yes. Look at the ending of Job. After Job has asked God all the questions and called God to the stand. Does God respond to Job's questions? Yes He does. But how He responds to them shows all the difference. At the end of the book Job has no clue of the conversation between God and Satan. But he's left with an understanding of God that more than answers that question. Thing is God is not like any person. You cannot use human terms to define or expect Him to act as a human, He is not. He is the creator, we are made for His purposes and for His glory. This has been the string that runs through all of scripture. He is God and you're not. He is God, He does whatsoever He wishes. If he was confined to think the way we do, then we would be equals consequently, He wouldn't be God.
 
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Libra12

Senior Villager
#55
#55
MojaOne said:
I stand by what I’ve said, your interpretation of it is your own. Search carefully and ponder on the enigmatic relationship between Yahweh and Satan. While at it, learn more about the creation and in particular about predestination.
I can point you in the right direction by prompting you to answer why you think in the book of Job, Satan was present in a counsel in Heaven when the angels were giving their reports and he was also asked what has been up to.. We have been taught that Satan was cast out of heaven forever and awaits judgement and that He and Yahweh are arch enemies, right?

And yes, EVERYTHING in this realm has a balance.
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Predestination happens to be one of my favorite topics. My thoughts, Satan is still answerable to God. Yes he did rebel and was condemned however he still answers to God. If you answer to someone, or in your words, "report" to someone, are you that person's equal?
 
Stormtrooper98

Stormtrooper98

Village Elder
#56
#56
Libra12 said:
Yes. Look at the ending of Job. After Job has asked God all the questions and called God to the stand. Does God respond to Job's questions? Yes He does. But how He responds to them shows all the difference. At the end of the book Job has no clue of the conversation between God and Satan. But he's left with an understanding of God that more than answers that question. Thing is God is not like any person. You cannot use human terms to define or expect Him to act as a human, He is not. He is the creator, we are made for His purposes and for His glory. This has been the string that runs through all of scripture. He is God and you're not. He is God, He does whatsoever He wishes. If he was confined to think the way we do, then we would be equals consequently, He wouldn't be God.
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Why is God having conversations with his arch nemesis, Satan?
 
Stormtrooper98

Stormtrooper98

Village Elder
#57
#57
Libra12 said:
Predestination happens to be one of my favorite topics. My thoughts, Satan is still answerable to God. Yes he did rebel and was condemned however he still answers to God. If you answer to someone, or in your words, "report" to someone, are you that person's equal?
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I believe I asked you why Satan genuinely believed he could tempt God when he was trying to tempt Jesus in the desert. Why have you refused to answer me?
 
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Libra12

Senior Villager
#59
#59
Stormtrooper98 said:
I believe I asked you why Satan genuinely believed he could tempt God when he was trying to tempt Jesus in the desert. Why have you refused to answer me?
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He did think he could but he failed. ever tried punching beyond your weight? that is what the devil tried. Same reason why e tried to usurp authority from God, he couldn't and never could.
 
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