Why isn't Nairobi Investing in a Metro system?

#61
mnakaa hapa mkiuliza maswali ya kishenzi yet your so-called leaders are busy shipping your taxes to overseas foreign entities. County govt last paid local contractors and suppliers in 2014, the population is at a staggering 51 billion, unemployment at 42%, more than half of kenyans can barely afford 3 meals per day the other half are a serious illness away from total poverty, the economy is on its deathbed and companies are folding up operations in Kenya, crime rate is soaring by the day, umalaya imejaa downtown, doctors and teachers are getting paid peanuts.....etc.

Ata before tufike kwa metro system, ask yourself why the hell are we not solving these problems first?
 
#63
The JICA plan is available here:

http://open_jicareport.jica.go.jp/pdf/12307658_01.pdf

It is gathering dust somewhere in the Ministry of Transport. And imagine it cost 200m to produce.
Thank you. I'm saving this copy for good. The amount of time and detail that went into all this is superb. And yet no one wants to follow in the ministry....
 
#64
You mentioned CBD subway well the soil sample is severe to extremely severe. That only means a boring machine. That's $1 billion a kilometer of subway. Subways will eventually be part of Nairobi city transport system. However that is not now or in the next decade. Let's do commuter train first.
$1billion dollars a kilometer are New York and London prices. What makes it that expensive has to do with labor costs, environmental measures costs etc.

For a system in Nairobi, it will be around $20 million to $40 millon dollars a kilometer which will average out in total cost of about $1.1 to $1.2 for a 20-30 kilometer system.
 
#65
I want to you all to see what JICA says about BRT on Thika Rd.

There is a plan to introduce BRT as Line 2 on Thika road in the future. However, it will be difficult to provide additional lanes and bus stops for BRT operation because there is no more space for additional land acquisition. Due to this reason, no study for BRT has been made on this corridor. Structure of Thika road at one side consists of 3 to 4 lanes at main carriageway, 2 lanes service road, 1 lane of cycle road, and sidewalk. It is obvious that there is no space for BRT lanes.

So there has been no study of BRT on Thika Rd what exactly is the government of Kenya doing? This badly planned BRT system is going to be a massive failure...
 

spear

Village Sponsor
#66
$1billion dollars a kilometer are New York and London prices. What makes it that expensive has to do with labor costs, environmental measures costs etc.

For a system in Nairobi, it will be around $20 million to $40 millon dollars a kilometer which will average out in total cost of about $1.1 to $1.2 for a 20-30 kilometer system.
I stand corrected, yes the Chinese can built it at $28 million a kilometer.
There is a proposal from CCCC to finance, build and operate the entire city commuter rail service. They even did studies and mapping by the same team that designed and picked the SGR phase 2B from Nairobi-Naivasha-Narok. Lakini I wonder why we have to take loans from EU/World Bank and Treasury funds to do a rudimentary version of the same?
 

spear

Village Sponsor
#67
I want to you all to see what JICA says about BRT on Thika Rd.




So there has been no study of BRT on Thika Rd what exactly is the government of Kenya doing? This badly planned BRT system is going to be a massive failure...
In the multi sectoral meeting presentation, their conclusion was that BRT on Thika road is unnecessary and overtaken by events. To move 20,000 to 50,000 people at its peak will require 100 buses on that route alone. Basically a stretch of buses for kilometres making its unfit for implementation. However 20 commuter trains on its own track can stop at every stage for 2-5 mins, move faster, all of them can be synchronized and move people effortlessly through the rush hours. Its efficiency and capacity will make it perfect for the route.
 
#68
I stand corrected, yes the Chinese can built it at $28 million a kilometer.
There is a proposal from CCCC to finance, build and operate the entire city commuter rail service. They even did studies and mapping by the same team that designed and picked the SGR phase 2B from Nairobi-Naivasha-Narok. Lakini I wonder why we have to take loans from EU/World Bank and Treasury funds to do a rudimentary version of the same?
I feel like our government is held at gunpoint. Since the World Bank and its donors do supplement our budget yearly. So we have little choice.

Here are a few more details from the JICA report.








Unconfined Compression Test of core samples of abovementioned material was carried out by the Nairobi Viaduct Project. Test results were ranging between 60,476 kN/m2 and 3,571 kN/m2. Generally, the strength of samples taken from shallow depth was low and that from deep depth were high. Those strengths were ranging between very weak and moderately strong by the Classification of Rocks of BS5930. Type of tunnel structure cannot be decided by the above data because the number of sampling and testing was very limited. More detailed geotechnical investigation is required at the feasibility study stage. Nairobi Trachyte (Pnt) is indicated on the Geological Map around the Kasarani area. If this material has the same characteristics of Trachyte found at Upper Hill area, this rock can be classified as very strong – extremely strong. No pile foundation will be required in the area.
The first metro line shall be constructed along Thika road, the corridor having the biggest traffic demands and suffering severe traffic congestion. As described in clause 6.2.1, there is very limited space along the Thika road. However, if one side of the cycle lane can be utilized for the construction of an elevated viaduct structure, it is possible to build a metro structure along the road minimizing land acquisition./QUOTE]

Recommended salient features of the First Metro in Nairobi are as follows;

 Metro Line connecting west side of CBD and Kasarani stadium.

 Line length 120km approx. with 15 stations

 Underground section length: 4km with 4 stations

 Standard gauge track

 6 cars to 8 cars train operation depending on the demand

 Distance between stations: 1.0 to 1.5 km

 Maximum train speed: 80 km/h

 Transportation capacity: PPHPD 30,000 to 60,000+

 Construction period: 4.5 to 5 years/QUOTE]

This is something that can be easily done under the Big Four.... And much more feasible than the BRT.

Full JICA Report for those with bundles and time to spare. This document should be widely shared with all media houses, university students etc.
 
#69
In the multi sectoral meeting presentation, their conclusion was that BRT on Thika road is unnecessary and overtaken by events. To move 20,000 to 50,000 people at its peak will require 100 buses on that route alone. Basically a stretch of buses for kilometres making its unfit for implementation. However 20 commuter trains on its own track can stop at every stage for 2-5 mins, move faster, all of them can be synchronized and move people effortlessly through the rush hours. Its efficiency and capacity will make it perfect for the route.
Exactly. During the PS Hinga town hall talk.

I heard him say that Thika Road will need 300 BRT buses. And they're going to build a massive interchange station within Kasarani Stadium... Wouldn't it be easier to achieve the same results with rail?

Can't you change minds huko ndani statehouse Spear?
 
#70
Mimi, ningependa takataka ziokotwe kwanzia Kawangware,, CBD, Gikomba, Dandora, Githurai... everywhere , Jiji liwe safi kwanza! All potholes na pavements zirekebishwe asap! Hakuna haja ya new infrastructure wakati what we're already using ziko dilapidated.

Besides, all the plans, all the blueprints, and all manners of maendeleo promises nimewahi kusikia za kumordernise Nairobi zingekua implemented Nairobi ingekua a true Wakada!

Sample these...
View attachment 224539 View attachment 224540

What happened to them?
In this last pic where is the space to increase width ya barabara nairobi.

You cant just stretch land. Its not rubber
 

Soprano

Village Elder
#71
In this last pic where is the space to increase width ya barabara nairobi.

You cant just stretch land. Its not rubber
If they presented it, the renders, at one of the numerous workshops they hold, or anywhere else for that matter, they must have known what they would to acquire the land. The point is no one knows where those grand plans go, because the majority of them are never implemented. You only hear countries like Tanzania undertaking such plans and implementing them after copying them from us. You get mad because they always work when they are implemented there, but Nairobi still sits there, passively and oblivious!
 
#72
If you reading this right now. I think you need to know that you gona die before you see any of the above project started not even complete. The kind of leaders you have make thinking of these can be done delusional.

With that said. A free piece of advice. Work hard for your family and loved ones not your country. Even if you are a footballer play well in your national team not for your country but for your talent to be seen by the outside world. Live your lives to the fullest. Mambo ya kufikiria politicians can make this things come true will run you insane


Signed @hunningale fantafofanaana
 
#73
If they presented it, the renders, at one of the numerous workshops they hold, or anywhere else for that matter, they must have known what they would to acquire the land. The point is no one knows where those grand plans go, because the majority of them are never implemented. You only hear countries like Tanzania undertaking such plans and implementing them after copying them from us. You get mad because they always work when they are implemented there, but Nairobi still sits there, passively and oblivious!
They just cant be implemented
 

spear

Village Sponsor
#74
Exactly. During the PS Hinga town hall talk.

I heard him say that Thika Road will need 300 BRT buses. And they're going to build a massive interchange station within Kasarani Stadium... Wouldn't it be easier to achieve the same results with rail?

Can't you change minds huko ndani statehouse Spear?
The problem with these new set of officials at OP are not interested in broad consultations or agreements. They have a fixed mindset and that's why anyone with contrary opinion is shut out. They have shut out MP's, Governors and Senators. They believe its them giving orders and everyone to follow them. They only hope now is that CS Matiangi can bridge that situation and be more approachable to different ideas. For example we heard of the BRT implementation when they started painting one lane of Thika road as such and again very aggressively when the buses are already bought/shipped. We heard of commuter train service implementation when the locomotives have being bought from Spain. This looks more like a rushed crooked deal. For those who haven't studied the plans presented by PS Hinga will get impressed at face value but it doesn't hold water if you have read all the other reports. Even their renders aren't up to scale, they show extra lanes which don't fit the actual road dimensions currently on the ground. Let's hope CS Matiangi will halt this rushed, uncoordinated and poor implementation decisions to include JICA report entirely.
 
#75
Nyinyi hamjui ......................for things to change in this country , what we need is a complete overhaul of leadership ..........This place needs new people to run the govt ...brand new !
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1. They must have University Degrees.
2. They must not have criminal records esp corruption cases
3. They must have one spouse / wife each.
4. They must not be affiliated or connected in any way with current politicians .


I think any leader worth his name has to be a capable , respectable , some-how morally upright or dignified and should have a weakness or something to lose if he f*cks up (family) .
That is why voters should only blame themselves. Laikipia North voters educated themselves and got rid of that shit Mathew Lempurkel.
The message is for voters to educate themselves.
 

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