Would you rather be rich in Kenya or avarage middle class in Europe or other similar location?

#1
Wanted to make this a poll but I could not find the button... anyway

Given a choice to live the rest of your life in Kenya while raking in a million or more per month and with a net worth of 50M and more (say up to 200M i.e $2M by the time you retire, otherwise this won't even be a question if it's billions we are talking about)

VS

Moving yourself and family to an average first world nation say Spain, UK, Australia, New Zealand, even the US of A, and living there as an average middle-class person who drives an average car, has hardly any real friends/distant family around, works a good job, say making $100k to $150K per yeah (including spouse's income in this case coz otherwise you will not be that average when making that alone, I think), getting your kids educated in a good average school, eventually owning your own home after many years of paying some mortgage and retiring happily with an average pension which enables you to retire comfortably.... but not really a $ millionaire given the higher cost of living and taxes seriously affected your savings or even if you have some $2M by the time you retire, it won't mean as much as it would in Kenya

What would you choose.. I think the 2nd option is attractive because you will sacrifice for your kids who will grow up and get properly assimilated into the new culture and have a better standard of life for your future generations, also, you will enjoy better social protections and government support e.g better hospitals, lower crime rate, emergency services that actually work, e.t.c

On the other hand, the 1st option is also quite tempting since you will be considered rich by most people in Kenya, and will enjoy the privilege, that comes with that, you will have more friends and family around you, you can still afford to send some of your kids to study abroad if that is important to you, you can afford to drive a nice car, such as an ex-japan V8 or Range rover if you like, you can afford some of the best private schools and hospitals... So I think I would stick to this option personally
 

Kanugu

Village Elder
#2
I would rather be average in a developed country where there is serenity and security than living in Karen knowing next door ni Kibera full of hustlers who view rich people as dynasty(enemies).If I was to choose the first option then I would have to get into politics to posses some kind of power otherwise a common rich man you will robbed by both thugs and the government.
 

Azor Ahai

Neo Unplugged
#3
Rich in Kenya. Family ties, and live like a king. If you are a top 1 percenter in any location, it gives you immense opportunity to grow your wealth because most opportunities are available to you. In 10 years, you will be wealthier than the guy who chose an average life abroad. You won't be trapped in the middle class. In simpler terms, that $15k per month is more investable here than majuu where an apartment rents for thousands of dollars. By then you will afford to educate your kids in Europe.
 
#6
Median household income in the USA is $63,000 though
yeah, that is why I said average middle-class person meaning like a degree holder who is average amongst all degree holders, if that makes sense, I bet the median household income for the middle-class there is higher than $63k
 
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#7
Rich in Kenya any day!
The average middle class life abroad is one of struggle due to the high cost of living , no close family or real friends.
It may appear comfortable, but you have to do everything for yourself, cook, clean, baby sit , pick and drop kids to school help with homework and make all the meals.

I should know i live in the west.
how much would you have to make in the west to tilt the scales, for you?
 

Mangele

Village Sponsor
#8
Life's not about Rich when everything around you is crumbling.
Your poverty has taken hold of your sync. Riches in Kenya with poverty around is poverty.

Rich in Kenya. Family ties, and live like a king. If you are a top 1 percenter in any location, it gives you immense opportunity to grow your wealth because most opportunities are available to you. In 10 years, you will be wealthier than the guy who chose an average life abroad. You won't be trapped in the middle class. In simpler terms, that $15k per month is more investable here than majuu where an apartment rents for thousands of dollars. By then you will afford to educate your kids in Europe.
 
#9
how much would you have to make in the west to tilt the scales, for you?
To be honest, nothing, If I could make the same money that I'm making out here I'd be in Kenya in a heart beat!

The reality is that at the end of the day it's not your country, being rich here may shield you from certain things but it will only take one racist, lecturer, cop, shop assistant or waiter to remind you that you're nothing. That is most frustrating!
 

Mangele

Village Sponsor
#10
Wrong. I'm not rich by American standards, but I'm happier and live better.

Rich in Kenya any day!
The average middle class life abroad is one of struggle due to the high cost of living , no close family or real friends.
It may appear comfortable, but you have to do everything for yourself, cook, clean, baby sit , pick and drop kids to school help with homework and make all the meals.

I should know i live in the west.
 

Mangele

Village Sponsor
#11
I smell loneliness.

If you're happily married, your kids are doing well, this is heaven. I am all that and I am happy here.

To be honest, nothing, If I could make the same money that I'm making out here I'd be in Kenya in a heart beat!

The reality is that at the end of the day it's not your country, being rich here may shield you from certain things but it will only take one racist, lecturer, cop, shop assistant or waiter to remind you that you're nothing. That is most frustrating!
 

Mangele

Village Sponsor
#14
I'm speaking for myself. I had a good job in Kenya too before I came here.

Healthcare and Security are my priorities.

Speak for yourself!
I'm expressing my opinion, having lived and worked in both Kenya and America.
The only difference in terms of quality of life is insecurity and healthcare, everything else was the same and even better quality in kenya.
I was happier in Kenya!
 
#15
To be honest, nothing, If I could make the same money that I'm making out here I'd be in Kenya in a heart beat!

The reality is that at the end of the day it's not your country, being rich here may shield you from certain things but it will only take one racist, lecturer, cop, shop assistant or waiter to remind you that you're nothing. That is most frustrating!
I think yours is a special case, I mean, there is definitely some amount of income that can tilt the scales for almost everyone. I bet your current life situation is not good, may be you are depressed, no wonder you are spending so much time online, consider relocating back to KE and thinking about money later, life is short and you only live once.
 

Mangele

Village Sponsor
#17
Thank you! You miss family. I don't. I visit when I need to.

I think yours is a special case, I mean, there is definitely some amount of income that can tilt the scales for almost everyone. I bet your current life situation is not good, may be you are depressed, no wonder you are spending so much time online, consider relocating back to KE and thinking about money later, life is short and you only live once.
Happily married and kids are doing well but I miss my larger network of family and friends, having domestic help :D
The never ending chores are mind numbing !
 

Azor Ahai

Neo Unplugged
#18
Life's not about Rich when everything around you is crumbling.
Your poverty has taken hold of your sync. Riches in Kenya with poverty around is poverty.
That's a load of BS...the type motivational speakers preach. It is much harder to get wealthier if you aren't among the wealthiest people in your location. $15k monthly is decent cash down here and you can triple that very fast. Abroad, the cost of living is high, and investments are expensive, meaning you won't have the opportunity to grow that income and will probably get stuck in the middle class lifestyle.
We all want everyone to be rich. But that's not how real economics works. It is much harder to grow your wealth if you are average because you all compete for the same limited opportunities in that location. So, stop trying to sound nice and caring, without acknowledging some harsh economic realities. This isn't middle school where kids are taught about virtues and an equal society.
 

Mangele

Village Sponsor
#19
Well, there's a big difference between those who admire their Bank Account numbers and those who live off them... :D

That's a load of BS...the type motivational speakers preach. It is much harder to get wealthier if you aren't among the wealthiest people in your location. $15k monthly is decent cash down here and you can triple that very fast. Abroad, the cost of living is high, and investments are expensive, meaning you won't have the opportunity to grow that income and will probably get stuck in the middle class lifestyle.
We all want everyone to be rich. But that's not how real economics works. It is much harder to grow your wealth if you are average because you all compete for the same limited opportunities in that location. So, stop trying to sound nice and caring, without acknowledging some harsh economic realities.
 
#20
I think yours is a special case, I mean, there is definitely some amount of income that can tilt the scales for almost everyone. I bet your current life situation is not good, may be you are depressed, no wonder you are spending so much time online, consider relocating back to KE and thinking about money later, life is short and you only live once.
How much time do I spend online and who made you the online monitor ????:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Now you've become a psychotherapist too? Stick to your day job!

Are you aware that we are different people and that your standards are not mine???:rolleyes::rolleyes:
You may have an income goal that would make you want to live in the west but I have a lifestyle goal !

Do you know how the rich actually live in Kenya, not the pseudo rich but people with real money?
Have you ever been to the massive coffee farms in Kamiti, where they have private clubs that you've never heard of?

Ask yourself why the rich dont move their families abroad but instead choose to live in Kenya, a good example is the kenyarras
 

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