How are Maasai's classified as Nilotes?

[Kihii_Kiaganu]

You’re right, Maasai and samburu are over 50% cushitic but they speak a nilotic language.[ATTACH=full]226545[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]226546[/ATTACH]

[LePhilosopher]

@S_Lilly

Maasai DNA

Studies of Maasai DNA taken from a sample of maasai’s revealed that;

50% of the individuals had Y-DNA of Haplogroup E1b1b1 (M35) - Eastern Sudanic Ancestry

27% had A3b2 (M13), associated with Pygmy and Khoisan Ancestry

16% had E1b1a1 (M2), Niger-Congo Ancestry

8% B2a (M150). Sandawe people, of Tanzania, closely related to the Khoisan of the Kalahari desert.

According to Elizabeth Wood , it would appear that the Maasai are remnants of an older culture whose language went extinct after prolonged contact and interbreeding with Nilotic peoples. The distant ancestors of the early Maasai were a mixture of members of two ancient African hunter-gatherer cultures.

A Y chromosome study by Wood et al. (2005) tested various Sub-Saharan populations, including 26 Maasai males from Kenya, for paternal lineages. The authors observed haplogroup E1b1b in 50% of the studied Maasai,[27] which is indicative of substantial gene flow from more northerly Cushitic males, who possess the haplogroup at high frequencies.[28]

[user4]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a9-5l5WAY8

[thesavage]

@MadPhilosopher

A Y chromosome study by Wood et al. (2005) tested various Sub-Saharan populations, including 26 Maasai males from Kenya, for paternal lineages. The authors observed haplogroup E1b1b in 50% of the studied Maasai,[27] which is indicative of substantial gene flow from more northerly Cushitic males, who possess the haplogroup at high frequencies.[28]

:D:D:D:D

I see that at last mathafakas are going back to their roots. Kuna wajinga hapa kitambo wea like, “tumejitunukia ati haplotypes kama j, k, m…” Ati wao ni waarabu, sijui ni wazungu. Heheheeee

Haplotype E1, E2, the son of E; the father of both.

[S_Lilly]

@MadPhilosopher

A Y chromosome study by Wood et al. (2005) tested various Sub-Saharan populations, including 26 Maasai males from Kenya, for paternal lineages. The authors observed haplogroup E1b1b in 50% of the studied Maasai,[27] which is indicative of substantial gene flow from more northerly Cushitic males, who possess the haplogroup at high frequencies.[28]

True.
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[Kahuni_Maisha]

@Mediocre

Then take it up with anthropology, there’s a reason why they are nilotes, their language origin is the same as the language origin of other nilotes notwithstanding their culture or appearance. Statistical data never lies, If you have a different opinion gather data, analyze it and publish.

There’s a stronger correlation btn language and ethnicity, than there is btn ethnicity and genes or cultural practices especially in Africa. That means that if you have a Maasai name, which assumes you can speak or understand Maasai, your Maasai ethnicity can be identified by that name more easily than by recognizing you are circumcised or by recognizing that you have a particular gene that may not be present in all your relatives or tribesmen. That’s why they are called language groups not cultural groups or gene groups.

What was the logic of classifying the Suba’s as Bantus and not Nilotes ? Then you have the Moody Awori subtribe classified as Bantus ?

[Mediocre]

@Kahuni Maisha

What was the logic of classifying the Suba’s as Bantus and not Nilotes ? Then you have the Moody Awori subtribe classified as Bantus ?

Hehe I was surprised to learn that Tom Mboya was a Bantu. Because they arrived at the lake at different times with the luo, hii intermarriage ni ya juzi tu, that’s why language grouping is a more reliable identifier.

[LePhilosopher]

@thesavage

:D:D:D:D

I see that at last mathafakas are going back to their roots. Kuna wajinga hapa kitambo wea like, “tumejitunukia ati haplotypes kama j, k, m…” Ati wao ni waarabu, sijui ni wazungu. Heheheeee

Haplotype E1, E2, the son of E; the father of both.

Only trolls claim Arab ancestry. No self respecting Somali will ever look you in the eyes and claim to be Arab.

[WuTang]

@MadPhilosopher

Only trolls claim Arab ancestry. No self respecting Somali will ever look you in the eyes and claim to be Arab.

Many do, and they even adopt Arab mannerisms and culture.

[Kahuni_Maisha]

@Mediocre

Hehe I was surprised to learn that Tom Mboya was a Bantu. Because they arrived at the lake at different times with the luo, hii intermarriage ni ya juzi tu, that’s why language grouping is a more reliable identifier.

Ongeza Mill Odhiambo hapo, what about Moody Awour should he be more on the luo side.

[LePhilosopher]

@WuTang

Many do, and they even adopt Arab mannerisms and culture.

You’re greatly misinformed. Only a small minority claim that bullshit and it’s mostly to troll Somali girls (model wannabes) that falsely claim to be half Yemenis. No Somali seriously claims that bullshit. In reality it’s the other way round Arabs claiming successful Somali’s. Majority of Somalis actually really hate Arabs. Get a feel of actual Somali people thoughts. It’s all mostly for banter.
Since when are Somalis arab | Somali Spot | Forum, News, Videos
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https://www.somalispot.com/threads/arab-hate.53017/

[majizee]

In Africa, tribes were never permanent, they were always mixing, evolving and adapting. It is a false, for example, to claim that one has kikuyu or maasai blood because the identities were always changing, eg, the kikuyus are a mix of the Gumba, ogiek and other hunter gatherers that occupied central kenya mixed with other bantus from the north, south and east. Add the maa speaking people to the mix and you have a complex mix. Infact, one could be adapted into being a kikuyu or maasai after undergoing some rituals like akina Saitoti

[Kahuni_Maisha]

@majizee

In Africa, tribes were never permanent, they were always mixing, evolving and adapting. It is a false, for example, to claim that one has kikuyu or maasai blood because the identities were always changing, eg, the kikuyus are a mix of the Gumba, ogiek and other hunter gatherers that occupied central kenya mixed with other bantus from the north, south and east. Add the maa speaking people to the mix and you have a complex mix. Infact, one could be adapted into being a kikuyu or maasai after undergoing some rituals like akina Saitoti

That’s why i was rooting for more scientific methods, to be used to reconcile what Anthropologists give us and the genes we possess.

[ndume]

@Kahuni Maisha

That’s why i was rooting for more scientific methods, to be used to reconcile what Anthropologists give us and the genes we possess.

Invent your own classifications based on genes. It has been explained above that present classification is based on language and not genes. In any case, if we were to classify people according to genes, then we should use mitochondria DNA which is only passed from mother to offspring and not Y chromosome. Any male from another tribe could rape women from another tribe during times of war and pass his genes, does the produced child belong to the rapist tribe or to the mother’s tribe?

[system]

Maas might bear close DNA resemblance to Somali’s. But in terms of language, they’re world’s apart

[Aspects]

@uRukairu

Whats next, convert them to Islam ? Nakuonea 18

Being a Nilote is more of the language than the phenotype or genetic makeup. Otherwise we may need some explanations here too, all men being ethnic somalis

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Barkhad Abdi and the one on the right are Somalis. the other two are Oromos.

[jagger_snr1]

@Budspencer

Plain nilotes. Hukufanya GHC pale Dadaab primary? Jaluo ni River-Lake Nilotes halafu wakale ni Highland Nilotes.

In my drunk self, umefanya nikumbuke how we used to cram that ish like Tu Ke ki na ma po sa for highland nlts. Ma sa tu nje I ka for plain nlts. The luo for RL.nlts with Dinka n shilluk as their cousins huko sudan.
Enough ktalking and only one more beer for tonite

[thesavage]

So Somalis are nilotes who took up cushitic language? Ama Maasais are cushites who took up nilotic language?

[system]

The Maasai were classified by anthropologists as being Nilo-Hamitic people. They are around ~50% Somalid (Somalis have the highest frequencies of E1b1b at +85%) genetically. However, to call them Cushitic is not accurate as they are of mixed ancestry, with their language being more related to the other Nilotic groups. There are a lot of cultural similarities since we are pastoralists, even some borrowed words. Sometimes their phenotypes can even overlap with ours, but they have developed their own unique look. A very beautiful and noble people no doubt!

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[Aspects]

Somalis have got nothing in common with Maasai and the term cushitic is not a race or ethnicity, It’s linguistic description, Besides, there’s no diversity among Maasai.

The Maasia are genetically, culturally and physically related to other Kenyan.

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You will never find a Maasia who look like these Somali men

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