This is Guka - Quit the Whining!

system · July 20, 2018, 9:46am

Russia143,964,709
Germany82,293,457
U.K.66,573,504
France65,233,271
Italy59,290,969
Spain46,397,452
Ukraine44,009,214
Kenya 40M.
Sometimes I think you’re senile. You keep defending the corrupt government as if Uhuru is your son. Corruption is a problem and Kenyans shall not be silenced by insults.

sodamadiaba · July 20, 2018, 9:48am

The white man came with his Bible which calls for people to [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]go forth and fill the earth, which Africans embraced wholeheartedly coupled with "[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]watoto ni mali na watanisaidia uzeeni" mentality.

Vicious cycle of poverty, you are born poor, then go ahead and bear many more children reducing their chances of escaping poverty.

Conservative_dude · July 20, 2018, 9:48am

Over 20,000 babies were born in Nigeria on Jan 1st 2018. That’s about 7.3 new Nigerian babies before the year ends. In 2016, only 5.1 million babies were born in the whole of Europe. That means that in Nigeria alone, more babies are being born compared to the whole of Europe

mikel · July 20, 2018, 10:00am

Don’t fall for that…they hire those kids…
.Am yet to meet any agemate of mine with more than 2kids…So let’s look for something else to use to excuse our corruption

johntez_addi_gaza_ms · July 20, 2018, 10:07am

The issue here is related to IQs most of these population bursts result in lower IQ kids being born who will not change the environment and situation they are brought up in. Resulting in a vicious poverty cycle.

FieldMarshal_CouchP · July 20, 2018, 10:08am

upepo:

A big population has never been the problem [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)](Sir, as you know I don’t suffer fools lightly. Nobody said that a big population is the problem. The problem is the RATE of population growth. If you can’t understand that it’s difficult to engage with you). The problem arises when a few people or entities hoard the most important factor of production; land. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)](70 per cent of Kenyan land is unoccupied. You just need to go to Rumuruti to buy acres and acres of land which is way better than the average Israeli has. Why haven’t you? BECAUSE LIKE ALL NYEUTHIS YOU WANT IT EASY. The gavament should do everything for you, including drilling boreholes, right?) In Africa, when you deny people access to land, you condemn them to eternal poverty because land happens to be the only available means of production[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] (Why is that? Are Africans inherently incapable of establishing any other means of production?). Our traditional societies never perished despite being ‘backward’ for thousands of years. In fact, they celebrated life more than you will every do. There were no beggars or extreme destitution in Africa because everyone had access to land, which forms the basis of all production. Anyone who could work was guaranteed some form of decent existence [COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)](Er, er, er, except that the Kenyan population in 1850 was about 2.5 million). Kenyatta’s land in Kahawa sukari has been idle for decades while neighboring communities would go hungry due to lack of farming space[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] (So, how many millions would that land accommodate? 10? 20? Let’s not be silly please). When people have enough food, it is easy to work on up-lifting the other aspects of life.

As I like reminding people always, Africa would have become another America, Canada or Australia if it were not for the fairly large population that could not be expunged by colonialists [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)](Actually, this is rubbish. What saved the African, and the South Asian, was the mosquito. Which is why Nyanza and the Coast were spared White Highlands. Someni historia tafadhari). Given a chance, I would introduce radical reforms in the land ownership structure to move away from the British system whose core objective was to deny people access to productive land. Such a system works only when the displaced population has access to other means of production. The current ‘plot’ culture is a direct derivative of this flawed land system. Although no quantitative data is available, I can hypothesize that the ‘plot’ culture accounts for a significant fraction of the inflation that we experience as a country. It is retrogressive and economic suicide when people pay millions to buy land that, technically speaking, was acquired at no cost. I still live in hope that someone someday will rise up with enough courage and determination to set the land issue right once and for all. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)](Finally, you get something right. Hope lives eternal!)

system · July 20, 2018, 10:11am

Purple:

Hehe you’re so right guka. You guys might not see the overpopulation time bomb but for those of us who live outside the country, we see the difference every year we visit. I was at kangemi market the other day omg! Driving was a total nightmare, there was very little space to maneuver. I wondered to myself how it will be in another 10-15 years when the young’uns of today multiply themselves. Kahawa Wendani and Lower CBD was also nightmarish for me, story for another day.
The only place that seems to make sense nowadays ni ushago, at least there’s plenty of fresh air and not too much overcrowding. Then the unemployment issue wah, all these ma drunken youths just kungethia-ing at the buroti. Unemployed for life, what gives??
I also witnessed too many junior academies sprouting up everywhere in the estates due to demand. People are living on top of each other in shitty, substandard apartments that have no playareas. Despite all these indicators that overpopulation is a huge problem, my medic friends tell me the obstetric unit is the busiest section of the hospital.

Don’t start me Sis on my Kiambu.

system · July 20, 2018, 10:12am

Ask any ‘Kenyan’ why they are poor or facing hard times and the answer will come hard and fast; “It’s coz of our corrupt leaders. Since the time of Jomo, the father of corruption, they have looted everything. Just look at NYS I, NYSII, KPC, Kenya Power, Maize scandal, Sugar Scandal…bla bla bla”.

Now, corruption is on another level in Kenya. Nobody denies that. But it is NOT why the majority of Kenyans are faring badly.

I don’t know how many times I am going to say this, BUT THE REASON WHY POVERTY IS DEEPENING IN ALL AFRICAN COUNTRIES - NIGERIA NOW HAS THE LARGEST POOL OF POOR PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, WITH 80% LIVING UNDER $2-A-DAY - IS THE UNSUSTAINABLE RATE OF POPULATION GROWTH.

Of course corruption plays a part too, but population growth is the key driver of poverty. That, and a couple of other factors like low IQ, which incidentally is a result of poverty itself; poor families cannot feed their kids a nurturing diet so the kids are stunted (40% of kids in Kenya are) and suffer brain damage and grow up to become stupid ferkers who blame serikali for all their problems. Repeat. And repeat again, and you have the situation we have in THIS COUNTRY - a population of 50 million, up from 8 just 50 years ago, three-quarters of whom are intellectually-challenged, although not for any fault of their own.

Enter the corruption bogeyman.

Unintelligent, poorly educated people always lurch onto something - witchcraft, satan, god, serikali, demons, angels, corruption, etc etc etc ad nauseum - to try to explain their situations. It makes them sleep better in a coping phenomenon psychologists called dissociation. A road accident that kills 20? Lets not blame speeding because the stupid driver CANNOT MAKE THE CORRELATION BETWEEN SPEED AND CONTROL. Hiyo ni mapenzi ya Mungu. Deaths from cholera? Ni kurogwa, sio eti hatukuosha mikono. Poverty? Ni corruption in gavament, although my dad has 11 kids and expects the first three children to educate the others instead of investing at the NSE and buying their first homes.

In times past, I have given the example of South Korea, which our politicians and so-called intellectuals like quoting eti we were on the same level in 1963. In that year, South Korea’s population was 27.2 million. Today it is 51.2 million. THAT IS ABOUT 96% GROWTH IN 55 YEARS.

KENYA’S POPULATION WAS 8 MILLION IN 1963 AND IT IS 51 MILLION TODAY. THAT IS ABOUT 650% GROWTH IN THE SAME PERIOD.

With such growth in population, no social systems - housing, healthcare, education, infrastructure can cope, ESPECIALLY WHEN CORRUPTION KICKS IN. Slums sprout up, the country cannot feed itself, crime rises, and the entire place becomes a shithole.

I dare say that if our population was 20 million, Kenya would be a developed country. For a start, everybody in the cities would be living in very decent housing. Reason why, by the way, Botswana is the only developed Black country (Population 1963, 600,000. 2018, 2.2million. Growth? 350%, almost half of Kenya’s).

Let me give a personal example that I like tossing out when we have a family gathering; if my own parents did not have 11 children like they did and instead had only two I, FMCP, would have been a dollar millionaire through inheritance at the time my dad died in the late 1970s. Dividing his estate between the 11 of us meant that we all walked away with a kaplot worth next to nothing each. And growing up, we ate less protein and went to cheaper schools because his resources had to be divided to serve 17 people, including some relatives. That right there is poverty.

Whine about corruption as much as you want, BUT AS LONG AS THE DIAGNOSIS IS WRONG, THE TREATMENT WON’T WORK.

We need to breed less or we will continue bleeding.

Please be kind Phil. Njera nuu ukwendageria nyamu. Ya umuthee nee erekuu?

FieldMarshal_CouchP · July 20, 2018, 10:14am

Sir, can you imagine that there are some people who can’t somehow understand these basic statistics? Eti mtu alienda shule and he’s now quoting for me the populations of different countries! Sasa mtu kama huyu unaweza sema ako na akili kweli, eti he’s a graduate yet he cannot understand the difference between an ABSOLUTE NUMBER and RATE OF GROWTH?

Bure kabisa.

system · July 20, 2018, 10:15am

Wacha ujinga mzee,people pay tax and they should ask government to show the fruits of the same.Dig the boreholes if they have to,Rate of population growth,so do we also check the factors that bolster the same like food production(like reduce the rate at which we produce food crop and others).We tulia kwa kitanda upone hapa hakuna kitu unasema.Nikienda Rumuruti Hospitali,shule,security ,roads zitoke wapi.Let the govt create an environment to allow human occupancy of such land

FieldMarshal_CouchP · July 20, 2018, 10:15am

Thankfully, @mikel, the rate of reproduction is falling albeit in urban areas. Enda Bungoma ujionee mambo…

system · July 20, 2018, 10:15am

Tumekataa …more than 2 is too much. I always ask my Mum how on earth did you raise us all?

Sitakiupusi · July 20, 2018, 10:18am

The problem is not a huge population but our inability to earn the demographic dividend that propelled other countries to upper middle class status.

system · July 20, 2018, 10:24am

Shait …
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system · July 20, 2018, 10:28am

I want 4-2 gals 2 boys.I will bring them up and give them life startup funds.Na sijaiba mahali

system · July 20, 2018, 10:32am

Isn’t it the idea the OP is attempting to pass? That high pop instead of high corruption is the reason we have nagging issues?
I once again wanted to point out that he is wrong

system · July 20, 2018, 10:34am

Kimakia

1.you cannot decide the sex.
2.it is not about money. It is about the attention you will be giving them.
3.Naona umeiba migunda. Where is my @Nyarwath aone vile Awinja is being waited on?
4. When are you leaving the internet to find the one?

johntez_addi_gaza_ms · July 20, 2018, 10:40am

Careful your IQ is showing
https://www.kenyatalk.com/index.php?threads/gikomba-burning-aftermath.82851/page-4#post-1746059

FieldMarshal_CouchP · July 20, 2018, 10:43am

Hi bae! Utanipatia poon tang aka githambutha, lini?

system · July 20, 2018, 10:45am

Next year. Good things come to those that wait.