What makes people from diaspora come back to shithole countries?

[mbwakali]

@Azor Ahai

I have never worked abroad so this is just an educated guess. Msee ameosha choo na tunyanye for like 4 years while doughing up seriously. He works like 3 jobs, lives with two other niggas sharing rent etc. Amesave kama $150k or more. Huyo msee hana family ties zinamfunga huko. What would you do? Mimi narudi Kenya with that mullah kuanza life rather than continuing kuosha tunyanye na choo. You make a conscious decision to have a middle class life here, than being a janitor with three jobs and working like a donkey there. Kurudi Kenya sio issue, issue ni kurudi bila any. You can make sacrifices with an end game ya kurudi home na capital sensible. Ukifikisha target unarudi huku.

Easier said than done.

[Big_fire]

@Gaza

I think it all depends on ones personal perspective or situation. I moved to Canada mid high school when I was in form two basically because my parents thought I was getting really fucked in the head and needed a change of environment. I had close relatives who had already relocated there and a sister in University and I had already visited the country once. My parents intentions where clear from the beginning. I was to go finish high school then university and come back. My aunt having been there for a while knew the system well enough and by my second yr in college I had my citizenship though with great disapproval from my old folks. All through college life was a hell lot of fun with the partying na kulalisha walami and all. I used to visit once a year and partying life seemed even much better this sides. Soon after I finished uni my little brother joined me for his university and that’s when the pressure to relocated back started for me. Being two boys in our family they couldn’t have both of us away … my sister had already relocated and had a great job out here, but for me I was really caught up deep with a lot of shit. I was living with my white gal, blowing a lot of dope, partying like hell, had a different chic knocked up and could barely keep a job. I was a serial job quitter. Lucky for me at that time being an educated black with little language barrier and a Canadian educational background coupled with a policy of huge tax breaks for companies that hired minorities to good positions (especially blacks) I always got really well paying jobs. I remember sometimes I quit several times and got rehired back they literally called me offering better pay and position. It was great. Until I made a mistake of visiting home and that’s how my Canadian adventure ended prematurely… story for another day. What I’m saying is a lot of folks send their kids for educational purpose only with expectations to move back right after. Na ivyo ndo nilijipata kwa ranch nikichunga mbuzi.

Dynasties,

[gosh]

@Gaza

I think it all depends on ones personal perspective or situation. I moved to Canada mid high school when I was in form two basically because my parents thought I was getting really fucked in the head and needed a change of environment. I had close relatives who had already relocated there and a sister in University and I had already visited the country once. My parents intentions where clear from the beginning. I was to go finish high school then university and come back. My aunt having been there for a while knew the system well enough and by my second yr in college I had my citizenship though with great disapproval from my old folks. All through college life was a hell lot of fun with the partying na kulalisha walami and all. I used to visit once a year and partying life seemed even much better this sides. Soon after I finished uni my little brother joined me for his university and that’s when the pressure to relocated back started for me. Being two boys in our family they couldn’t have both of us away … my sister had already relocated and had a great job out here, but for me I was really caught up deep with a lot of shit. I was living with my white gal, blowing a lot of dope, partying like hell, had a different chic knocked up and could barely keep a job. I was a serial job quitter. Lucky for me at that time being an educated black with little language barrier and a Canadian educational background coupled with a policy of huge tax breaks for companies that hired minorities to good positions (especially blacks) I always got really well paying jobs. I remember sometimes I quit several times and got rehired back they literally called me offering better pay and position. It was great. Until I made a mistake of visiting home and that’s how my Canadian adventure ended prematurely… story for another day. What I’m saying is a lot of folks send their kids for educational purpose only with expectations to move back right after. Na ivyo ndo nilijipata kwa ranch nikichunga mbuzi.

Tema hio jaba nanii

[Azor_Ahai]

@gosh

Tema hio jaba nanii

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[tall_mnyama_everywhe]

@gosh

Tema hio jaba nanii

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[Gaza]

@gosh

Tema hio jaba nanii

Nitolee form ya jaba nikupe huyu nanii.
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[Panyaste]

@Azor Ahai

My example ni ya mtu wa kuosha tunyanye and other odd jobs. For an educated person, the logic is the same just with a higher threshold. Maybe yake ni $1M or $3M. Same logic, different financial targets. Atajiuliza why slave as a nurse/doctor when I have enough money to build serious property and retire at home and be among the elite playing golf and cutting deals? Maybe @Purple should tell us why she thinks of coming back home.

I used to see this young gal every morning. She was about 23. She would park her BMW. Anatoka kama amekuvalia uniform ya nursing home for the old. Yes hizi ni kazi nyi usema ya kuosha tuzee mkundu. This is a Kenyan gal aged 23. How many kenyan gals her age own a BMW & am not talking about wale wamepata thru sponsors or prostitution but from clean money or money earned from hard work.

[Azor_Ahai]

@Panyaste★

I used to see this young gal every morning. She was about 23. She would park her BMW. Anatoka kama amekuvalia uniform ya nursing home for the old. Yes hizi ni kazi nyi usema ya kuosha tuzee mkundu. This is a Kenyan gal aged 23. How many kenyan gals her age own a BMW & am not talking about wale wamepata thru sponsors or prostitution but from clean money or money earned from hard work.

Sijasema mahali that those jobs don’t pay well. So sijui what the source of your argument is. Msichana kama huyo akisave hundreds of thousands of dollars usishangae akirudi Kenya kupandisha flats.

[MikeOck]

@Azor Ahai

My example ni ya mtu wa kuosha tunyanye and other odd jobs. For an educated person, the logic is the same just with a higher threshold. Maybe yake ni $1M or $3M. Same logic, different financial targets. Atajiuliza why slave as a nurse/doctor when I have enough money to build serious property and retire at home and be among the elite playing golf and cutting deals? Maybe @Purple should tell us why she thinks of coming back home.

Mimi naona kuna wenye wanakula dry spell mbaya hadi wanakuwa frustrated

[system]

@Azor Ahai

My example ni ya mtu wa kuosha tunyanye and other odd jobs. For an educated person, the logic is the same just with a higher threshold. Maybe yake ni $1M or $3M. Same logic, different financial targets. Atajiuliza why slave as a nurse/doctor when I have enough money to build serious property and retire at home and be among the elite playing golf and cutting deals? Maybe @Purple should tell us why she thinks of coming back home.

When you live abroad there’s a tendency of over romanticizing your country of origin especially during tough moments. For instance when you experience a racist incidence, immediately you start dreaming how life would be much better at home. So you catastrophize everything, at least for me, that’s when I get into the “returnee mood.” Then later on after sobering up some and reading stories how tough life is in Kenya, with a government that passionately hates its own people, I start feeling hesitant in my spirit and say hmm, “maybe the states isn’t so bad after all.” Moreover my spouse is very happy over here, he believes we’ve made it so why start again from scratch. Retiring in your 30s makes no sense because pesa huisha. So now you’ve squandered a golden opportunity to mint money in exchange for golfing and relaxation? In your 30s. Even your kids will never forgive you for being lazy. As the saying goes, “make hay while the sun shines!” I will rest in my grave, not now. Anyway i think it’s important for us to make peace with the fact that the world is fundamentally broken. There’s no perfect place that will bring us continuous peace and perfect happiness. I’m content with where God has placed us and maybe time will tell what was the best decision for our family.

[Azor_Ahai]

@Purple

When you live abroad there’s a tendency of over romanticizing your country of origin especially during tough moments. For instance when you experience a racist incidence, immediately you start dreaming how life would be much better at home. So you catastrophize everything, at least for me, that’s when I get into the “returnee mood.” Then later on after sobering up some and reading stories how tough life is in Kenya, with a government that passionately hates its own people, I start feeling hesitant in my spirit and say hmm, “maybe the states isn’t so bad after all.” Moreover my spouse is very happy over here, he believes we’ve made it so why start again from scratch. Retiring in your 30s makes no sense because pesa huisha. So now you’ve squandered a golden opportunity to mint money in exchange for golfing and relaxation? In your 30s. Even your kids will never forgive you for being lazy. As the saying goes, “make hay while the sun shines!” I will rest in my grave, not now. Anyway i think it’s important for us to make peace with the fact that the world is fundamentally broken. There’s no perfect place that will bring us continuous peace and perfect happiness. I’m content with where God has placed us and maybe time will tell what was the best decision for our family.

Correction. Life is not tough in Kenya if you are a 1 %'er. In fact, with a million USD or two down here, you can make more money easily than over there because you can bulldoze your way to most business opportunities. Don’t believe everything you watch on CNN. While it is true that most people are suffering here, there is a small fraction that are having the time of their lives because they have enough money to seize ALL business opportunities. What can you do with a million or two over there? Probably not as much as you can over here. Down here, that’s enough money to start a real estate development company as an example. On the other hand, I don’t think that figure would enable you to become a property developer over there due to undercapitalization. There are two versions of Kenyans and so it heavily depends which group you fit into when you return. I can confidently dispel your fears about suffering and tough life if you are returning with $1M+ and a good head on your shoulders. You can choose to remain abroad for other personal reasons, but certainly not suffering in Kenya if you are loaded.

[Mangele]

One of those moments we agree entirely.

@Azor Ahai is one of the 1% enjoying Kenya. We can let them keep it.
I will continue to visit as I have been doing. I’m very happy with my life abroad and happiness is all that matters.

@Purple

When you live abroad there’s a tendency of over romanticizing your country of origin especially during tough moments. For instance when you experience a racist incidence, immediately you start dreaming how life would be much better at home. So you catastrophize everything, at least for me, that’s when I get into the “returnee mood.” Then later on after sobering up some and reading stories how tough life is in Kenya, with a government that passionately hates its own people, I start feeling hesitant in my spirit and say hmm, “maybe the states isn’t so bad after all.” Moreover my spouse is very happy over here, he believes we’ve made it so why start again from scratch. Retiring in your 30s makes no sense because pesa huisha. So now you’ve squandered a golden opportunity to mint money in exchange for golfing and relaxation? In your 30s. Even your kids will never forgive you for being lazy. As the saying goes, “make hay while the sun shines!” I will rest in my grave, not now. Anyway i think it’s important for us to make peace with the fact that the world is fundamentally broken. There’s no perfect place that will bring us continuous peace and perfect happiness. I’m content with where God has placed us and maybe time will tell what was the best decision for our family.

[Azor_Ahai]

@Mangele

One of those moments we agree entirely.

@Azor Ahai [COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)]is one of the 1% enjoying Kenya. We can let them keep it.
I will continue to visit as I have been doing.

Please get your facts right. I am nowhere near that 1% enjoying in Kenya. I don’t pretend to be something I’m not. But I am not oblivious of the fact that they exist because I interact with them frequently, visit their homes and parties.
Cracking the top 1% is where the work is. Once you crack it and secure that wealth nice and tight, suffering unaionea kwa gazeti. You can’t have a million USD+ useme unaogopa suffering in Kenya…the hard part umeshapita. Honestly, I think @Purple you and others have non-monetary reasons of wanting to stay abroad if you have the money. Most likely your families ties over there. Lakini kusema unaogopa suffering in KE with $1M+ doesn’t make sense. But what do I know…

[Mangele]

You are a happy wannabe… Here I live off my sweat and loving it.
And I don’t need to have the $1 m you mentioned to be happy.

@Azor Ahai

Please get your facts right. I am nowhere near that 1% enjoying in Kenya. I don’t pretend to be something I’m not. But I am not oblivious of the fact that they exist because I interact with them frequently, visit their homes and parties.

[Azor_Ahai]

@Mangele

You are a happy wannabe… Here I live off my sweat and loving it.

I’m not a happy wannabe. Wannabe’s pretend to be what they aren’t. I don’t pretend to be an elite member of society because I’m not. I say it as it is. Any man over 18 lives off his sweat so that’s not really an achievement

[Mangele]

What do you want anyone to make of this if you are not proud of the links to a society you don’t belong in?..

I interact with them frequently, visit their homes and parties.

Here I hold my own parties, bro… my sweat.

@Azor Ahai

I’m not a happy wannabe. Wannabe’s pretend to be what they aren’t. I don’t pretend to be an elite member of society because I’m not. I say it as it is. Any man over 18 lives off his sweat so that’s not really an achievement

[Azor_Ahai]

@Mangele

What do you want anyone to make of this if you are not proud of the links to a society you don’t belong in?..

I interact with them frequently, visit their homes and parties.

Here I hold my own parties, bro… my sweat.

I see where you are going with this line of argument. You are pretending that you don’t understand the context of that statement and want this to degenerate into a senseless argument. Pole.

[Azor_Ahai]

Watu wa majuu wacheni tu niwaambie ukweli kwa ground. Kenya is heaven or hell depending on how much money you return with. If you come back empty-handed bruh/siz utafinywa na life uitane. On the other hand if you return with your bag secured, hakuna kitu kama suffering. You live like a king, cops salute you and call you sir, curfew and other nuisance laws don’t apply to you etc.Two different outcomes depending on your $. So kama umesota, baki tu majuu juu ukirudi utaumia.

[system]

@Azor Ahai

Correction. Life is not tough in Kenya if you are a 1 %'er. In fact, with a million USD or two down here, you can make more money easily than over there because you can bulldoze your way to most business opportunities. Don’t believe everything you watch on CNN. While it is true that most people are suffering here, there is a small fraction that are having the time of their lives because they have enough money to seize ALL business opportunities. What can you do with a million or two over there? Probably not as much as you can over here. Down here, that’s enough money to start a real estate development company as an example. On the other hand, I don’t think that figure would enable you to become a property developer over there due to undercapitalization. There are two versions of Kenyans and so it heavily depends which group you fit into when you return. I can confidently dispel your fears about suffering and tough life if you are returning with $1M+ and a good head on your shoulders.

During Kibaki’s time I would’ve fully agreed with your assertion. Don’t forget there’s a very contentious election coming up which doesn’t inspire confidence due to echoes of class envy and the possibility of revenge against dynasties, you and I. You may be right but it’s best to make haste slowly in these turbulent times. Kenya has other stressors not just economic ones. Sketchy healthcare, high risk of road accidents, conmen, being frustrated by the govt, lack of order, etc.

[Azor_Ahai]

@Purple

During Kibaki’s time I would’ve fully agreed with your assertion. Don’t forget there’s a very contentious election coming up which doesn’t inspire confidence due to echoes of class envy and the possibility of revenge against dynasties, you and I. You may be right but it’s best to make haste slowly in these turbulent times. Kenya has other stressors not just economic ones. Sketchy healthcare, high risk of road accidents, conmen, being frustrated by the govt, lack of order, etc.

True. As I said, you may have other personal reasons. I just wanted to shed some light on the “suffering” misconception you had. Ever wondered why watoto wa senior politicians and wahindi hurudi Kenya after kusomea majuu, instead of kuendelea na life huko majuu? Ever asked yourself why ambassadors wa first-world countries hukwamilia Nairobi?