What really happens on the ground

[Fala_12]

@Jergen

It seems printing the CBA in its entirety in the newspapers was a fools errand… people will be as obnoxious and unrelenting as they wish… Hao ndio wanakaa nyumbani watching news and eating all that shit served to them by the media up… people with no minds of their own, no desire to search for the truth on their own…lazy people, warriors behind the keyboard, eager to point fingers and disregard others…too bad…
As for me and my house, i’m fully behind the doctors.

i am with you on this one too, implement cba fully, and that cba if it was printed somewhere any link so that i can read it? @Luther12

[Fala_12]

@Black Panther

THE SAME POOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW DYING BECAUSE THEM DOCTORS NEED A PAY RISE!!!..

even if doctors got back to work, without proper equipment they will STILL DIE and you will all still blame the DOCTORS

[uwesmake]

mtu ana earn 190,000 na bado anataka aongezwe 200,000 yet anakaa aki angalia watu wakikufaa very heartless people , i cant wait zile ngombe union officials ziwekwe ndani zidinywe mikia .

[uwesmake]

@Fala 12

even if doctors got back to work, without proper equipment they will STILL DIE and you will all still blame the DOCTORS

stupid argument

[Fala_12]

@uwesmake

stupid argument

nilikuuliza kitu siku ingine ukahepe…, when was the last time you sought medical assistance in a public hospital ?

[IPDEV]

@Pseudonyms

Wacheni kutubeba wajinga nyinyi madaktari bandia* na tunajua mmegomeshwa na ulafi.

If the government presents a plan to equip all the hospitals and give all doctors medical covers while leaving out the derisory pay demands, would you go back to work?

And what if the government implements the bandia** CBA and prohibits all manner of moonlighting in private clinics, would you go back?

Still, what if the government, backed by the people and reason, shows you the finger, would you go back?

bandia* - There’s something seriously wrong when a healthcare giver, on his/her way to picket, steps over a patient in agony. Perhaps this indifference comes from not earning the grade that enables one learn to be a doctor. There’s a sh.itload of rich kids swaggering a stethoscope because their parents could afford to take them to big-name schools and later to parallel courses in medicine regardless of whether or not they were bright and talented. They are the same entitled kids that treated their mboches like shit. How do you think they’d treat a sick son of a mboch?

bandia** - The courts said so.

Dry

[denis_young]

@Luther12

That’s the narrative you’ve been fed, of only the pay. The CBA is much much more than a simple pay increase.

I respect you as a person juu I like the way you think. But on this issue of CBA we differ greatly. First if it was not about the money doctors would be negotiating a lower increase as proposed by Uhuru when he was in Mombasa. The only problem with the CBA is the 300% increase.
Doctors are pretending to be fighting for kenyans but even their hashtag says it all #lipakamaTender. You have to be blind not to see that the doctors are striking for their own benefit and not for Kenyans.

[biraru]

@Luther12 ebu nieleze briefly cba inasema nini before ni make a stupid comment

[denis_young]

@Fala 12

if the doctors really wanted a payrise the 40% offered by Government would have sent them back to work, but if the CBA is about equipping hospitals and employing more doctors then let it be implemented… you kenyan middle class who can afford some shitty private healthcare medical schemes so that you can afford private hospitals keep off the strike, the real casualties here are the people who wholly depend on public hospitals for medical care !

How does paying doctors 300% improve medicare? Soon doctors will be flying above us in private helicopters at the expense of the Kenyan taxpayer. It is so easy to talk about implementation while you are not the one facing the fire squad. Ask yourself, what has your county government done regarding the health facilities. I can tell you exclusively, where I come from the public hospital has been in shambles for over 20 years inclusive of the recent 4 years into devolution. The road that leads to the hospital is bumpy and you would probably die en route. The ambulance is old and you would actually have a smother ride on a mkokoteni. Doctors are selling GOK medicine not even bothering to hide the ‘Do Not Sell’ label. The same doctor who is demanding a salary increase and is never available after lunch.
The poor people will suffer because no one cares about them including the doctors.

[kiki]

[SIZE=1]Kunadocs wako job chini ya maji lakini. Walipromotiwa kitambo.[/SIZE]

[Jergen]

@denis young

Doctors are selling GOK medicine not even bothering to hide the ‘Do Not Sell’ label.

I hope you have proof… those are serious allegations. Unless that facility is special, most of the health care facilities in kenya don’t receive drugs in adequate proportions. But maybe it’s easier blaming doctors than actually looking at the real problem.
Ps: i’m not saying all doctors are angels walking on earth.
…and… si madaktari wenye wanatengeneza barabara au kurepair maambulance. Tafakari hayo.

[system]

@Luther12

Nimetumia mwangaza wa simu enough times, since I was an intern. Those days mobile phones had no torches.

Wacha wewe mimi natoa mtu foreskin hata kama giza ni ile ya jehanam!Hio pia ni opareson!

[Fala_12]

@Jergen

I hope you have proof… those are serious allegations. Unless that facility is special, most of the health care facilities in kenya don’t receive drugs in adequate proportions. But maybe it’s easier blaming doctors than actually looking at the real problem.
Ps: i’m not saying all doctors are angels walking on earth.
…and… si madaktari wenye wanatengeneza barabara au kurepair maambulance. Tafakari hayo.

not all docs do but some really do…
now i wont name places becase that doc is probably the only specialist in that there and could be traced easily and i have no proof…
a few years ago i had a skin condition and being the peasant i am took a day off and visited a public hospital, paid the consultion fee, saw a doc, some lab tests finally i am to see a the dermatologist. its after 2pm and his office is locked… so i ask and i am informed that on fridays he works till 1pm so i come back on monday. i ask if theres any private clinic they could recommend and i am given a phone number and directions… funny thing the clinic belongs to the same same doc i go pay consultation fee and he sees me, prescribes some med some which he has others i have to buy. now the ones he has have the GOK logo. so yeah some docs do sell gok meds in their private clinics

[LeoK]

@Luther12

Nimetumia mwangaza wa simu enough times, since I was an intern. Those days mobile phones had no torches.

I really sympathise with medics.

[LeoK]

@Pseudonyms

Wacheni kutubeba wajinga nyinyi madaktari bandia* na tunajua mmegomeshwa na ulafi.

If the government presents a plan to equip all the hospitals and give all doctors medical covers while leaving out the derisory pay demands, would you go back to work?

And what if the government implements the bandia** CBA and prohibits all manner of moonlighting in private clinics, would you go back?

Still, what if the government, backed by the people and reason, shows you the finger, would you go back?

bandia* - There’s something seriously wrong when a healthcare giver, on his/her way to picket, steps over a patient in agony. Perhaps this indifference comes from not earning the grade that enables one learn to be a doctor. There’s a sh.itload of rich kids swaggering a stethoscope because their parents could afford to take them to big-name schools and later to parallel courses in medicine regardless of whether or not they were bright and talented. They are the same entitled kids that treated their mboches like shit. How do you think they’d treat a sick son of a mboch?

bandia** - The courts said so.

It’s better to shut up than to display monumental ignorance.

[Jergen]

@Fala 12

not all docs do but some really do…
now i wont name places becase that doc is probably the only specialist in that there and could be traced easily and i have no proof…
a few years ago i had a skin condition and being the peasant i am took a day off and visited a public hospital, paid the consultion fee, saw a doc, some lab tests finally i am to see a the dermatologist. its after 2pm and his office is locked… so i ask and i am informed that on fridays he works till 1pm so i come back on monday. i ask if theres any private clinic they could recommend and i am given a phone number and directions… funny thing the clinic belongs to the same same doc i go pay consultation fee and he sees me, prescribes some med some which he has others i have to buy. now the ones he has have the GOK logo. so yeah some docs do sell gok meds in their private clinics

I believe you kabisa. Lakini same as any other career kuna bad apples. Someone shouldn’t ignorantly put all doctors in one bracket. Have you read some of the things these people do for the common mwananchi? Anyway, the CBA will benefit us as well as the doctors. Let’s not let our leaders get away with robbing us of the right to well equipped and funded health care facilities.

[Fala_12]

@Jergen

I believe you kabisa. Lakini same as any other career kuna bad apples. Someone shouldn’t ignorantly put all doctors in one bracket. Have you read some of the things these people do for the common mwananchi? Anyway, the CBA will benefit us as well as the doctors. Let’s not let our leaders get away with robbing us of the right to well equipped and funded health care facilities.

yeah i didnt say all doctors are bad, and like in all proffesions there are the bad ones. all in all i am with the doctors cba being implemented fully

[Pseudonyms]

@LeoK

It’s better to shut up than to display monumental ignorance.

It’s better to shut up than to put yourself in the path of an insult for ignorantly calling another person ignorant.

That said, THICHWO!

[system]

@biraru

@Luther12 ebu nieleze briefly cba inasema nini before ni make a stupid comment

Pole kwa kuchelewa. Here it is:

Cc. @Fala 12.

[system]

@denis young

I respect you as a person juu I like the way you think. But on this issue of CBA we differ greatly. First if it was not about the money doctors would be negotiating a lower increase as proposed by Uhuru when he was in Mombasa. The only problem with the CBA is the 300% increase.
Doctors are pretending to be fighting for kenyans but even their hashtag says it all #lipakamaTender. You have to be blind not to see that the doctors are striking for their own benefit and not for Kenyans.

The respect is mutual.
Frankly, I don’t expect an outsider to fight for my rights, whatever they may be. Only the wearer of the shoe knows where it pinches. It’d be a tad bit too optimistic to expect the ordinary citizen on the streets to himself agitate for doctor’s welfare, for the simple reason that they have no idea how bad the situation is in those hospital corridors. When you bring in your patient and he dies despite our best efforts (as serialized in those tweets I put up earlier) you’ll be the first to accuse me of malpractice forgetting that the people you put in charge (the politicians you voted for) are plain inept at best. You cannot give me a job, fail to give me the equipment with which to do the job, then turn around and accuse me of not doing the job properly.

The reason we are where we are today is due to a myriad of factors which boils down to one critical area, the issue of salaries and benefits. I wish you knew the massive resignations that have happened in the last 5yrs alone and continue to happen even now, yet you still complain of long waiting times at the usual OPD. Implementation of the CBA will certainly be one of the steps towards remedying this and many other ills bedeviling public healthcare in Kenya.