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Kodiaga

Senior Villager
#1
HOUSING SITUATION IN KENYA
Pay a visit to Athi River, Kitengela and other peris urban areas and see ghost Estates rotting away with no habitation and developers sinking in debt they can't pay.
Visit the hub. Notice it's half-empty. The tenants in it are paying half-rent currently to coax them into staying so as try attract others.
Building is not the problem, selling off what you have built to make your money back is the current problem.
The Delta company did 400 housing units in Sasaki, they struggled like crazy to sell. Concurrently they duty Delta in Westlands and they are happy to host COG as their biggest tenants. The owner swears he'll never touch housing estate ever again. He learnt his lesson.
The housing need is far from being met. But, we are not having housing development that's affordable to the very masses that need it.
Cytonn investments rode on selling to the diaspora population. It's quickly getting saturated and waking up to the reality that one spends 20mil on a house in Syokimau to rent it for 50k. Takes 33yrs to just get your money back. You are dead and have never enjoyed a shilling worth of profit from the house
Comments:
- Its only in kenya you buy an apartment at 30M and rent it out @80k per month and rarely get a tenant
- Yep. The bubble poped. The prizes must be re adjusted for affordability. Now housing finance is on a 30% discount campaign. Unfortunately it's a marketing gimic. They have to go down by 40-50% in reality. Developers were making over 100+% in profit. They have to settle on a realistic 20-30% mark up. Or 100% loss.
- The problem with the real estate developers is...they seem to target the upper and the middle upper class of customers ...develop a product for the mass market and you will sell.This can work out if the government subsidises building materials or scrap off taxes ..to make the end product affordable (which is impossible coz we are a young economy)Otherwise building in Kenya is Damn expensive.
- The government is inflating land prices with the current 4% stamp duty on land. It’s a tough call for our children.
- Developers need to face reality,
1. Kenyas Economy is rotten and getting more rotten by the day.
2. Kenyans even in the diaspora are very aware of ROI..if it doesnt make sense then they dont even touch it.
3. Days for developers to make 100% profit are gone...gone kabisa.
There are also cheaper methods of construction now.
Stealing money in Kenya is also becoming very difficult..the small guys who used to roll this money down to the mwananchi are now being caught ..no illegal money flying around anymore...
As a realtor biggest problem is developers refusing to listen especially in Nanyuki where I am based.
- That estate location matters so much, i was in a term building some apartments in kitengela each cost 15M, yet some 2km away is a prime land selling @ 1.5M I freely advised a buyer to go buy the land and build a good house worth 5M and get something running with the rest of his cash.
- Am seeing some 11m houses in Nakuru,hao watalilia kwa choo,kwanza the kanyumba is worth 3m surely ati coz it's gated,nkt sick joke
- REAL ESTATE,,Is Just A Front To Launder/Clean Illegally Acquired Cash,,Can Never Work Out Where 70% Population Earns 3Dollars Wages A Day,,!
- Many a times I don't advice my clients to buy offplans,sometimes one ends up not getting a dream of his /her life..though it depends with the company one intends to.....allways good to buy a plot and built the dream of your life house!
- Most companies are targeting the rich, very few Kenyans can meet their demands of pay ksh 500k today and clear the balance of 1m within 3 months
What is crippling the Real Estate branch is Greed and lack of government control as far prices are concerned.
-In Germany for example, there are Rules and Regulations pertaining to renting and construction issues. As a landlord/lady you just can’t demand any amount of money just because it is your house.
The price depends on Location and Square Metres in Question.
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M2Random

Village Elder
#2
There is no problem with real estate in Kenya. This is simple demand and supply cycles of any market. Right now there is an oversupply of high end property. So it's harder to sell and it is going to keep getting worse until developers learn their lesson. They have to accept normal returns or wait for years until the market is ready to meet their 100% mark-up. That is how business works. The period of supernormal returns is over and unfortunately, most developers did not get the memo. The smart ones will accept the smaller realistic margins of 20%-30% and turn around projects faster as the greedy ones stay stuck with their property. You can only fool people for so long.
 

Bottoms

Village Elder
#3
There is no problem with real estate in Kenya. This is simple demand and supply cycles of any market. Right now there is an oversupply of high end property. So it's harder to sell and it is going to keep getting worse until developers learn their lesson. They have to accept normal returns or wait for years until the market is ready to meet their 100% mark-up. That is how business works. The period of supernormal returns is over and unfortunately, most developers did not get the memo. The smart ones will accept the smaller realistic margins of 20%-30% and turn around projects faster as the greedy ones stay stuck with their property. You can only fool people for so long.
main problem is that they took loans to develop those houses . I don't think the banks can wait for the prices to adjust themselves to demand their money. They will need their money back as per the contract. Since they wont do this because the houses haven't been sold , then the houses will be repossessed and sold away at a throw away price and that's what is called a bubble bursts
 

M2Random

Village Elder
#4
main problem is that they took loans to develop those houses . I don't think the banks can wait for the prices to adjust themselves to demand their money. They will need their money back as per the contract. Since they wont do this because the houses haven't been sold , then the houses will be repossessed and sold away at a throw away price and that's what is called a bubble bursts
And greedy developers will lose their capital. Serves them right, after all most of them are politicians and shady businessmen.
 
#5
main problem is that they took loans to develop those houses . I don't think the banks can wait for the prices to adjust themselves to demand their money. They will need their money back as per the contract. Since they wont do this because the houses haven't been sold , then the houses will be repossessed and sold away at a throw away price and that's what is called a bubble bursts
that's how the bubble bursted in the ol USA. You buy a house in subdivision X, at $150,000, which has 100 houses. 6 months down the line 3 people default on payment, the houses are repossessed by the bank. in essence, what you owe the bank is $90,000, and since the bank isn't out there to make profit, all that the bank wants is to recover the $90k, so, the house are put back in the market for $90k.
Word spread out in the subdivision that , 3 houses are being sold @ $90k, and what follows soon are people dumping the houses. for no one in his right mind will continue paying mortgage for $150k, will the value is $90k.

There is no problem with real estate in Kenya. This is simple demand and supply cycles of any market. Right now there is an oversupply of high end property. So it's harder to sell and it is going to keep getting worse until developers learn their lesson. They have to accept normal returns or wait for years until the market is ready to meet their 100% mark-up. That is how business works. The period of supernormal returns is over and unfortunately, most developers did not get the memo. The smart ones will accept the smaller realistic margins of 20%-30% and turn around projects faster as the greedy ones stay stuck with their property. You can only fool people for so long.
it was said in this village that, once we start sealing corruption avenues in .ke. that's the time the real estate will slow down, I guess its happening right in our eyes.
 

Bigfish1

Village Elder
#6
There is no problem with real estate in Kenya. This is simple demand and supply cycles of any market. Right now there is an oversupply of high end property. So it's harder to sell and it is going to keep getting worse until developers learn their lesson. They have to accept normal returns or wait for years until the market is ready to meet their 100% mark-up. That is how business works. The period of supernormal returns is over and unfortunately, most developers did not get the memo. The smart ones will accept the smaller realistic margins of 20%-30% and turn around projects faster as the greedy ones stay stuck with their property. You can only fool people for so long.
Problem is people are just too greedy
 

Bigfish1

Village Elder
#7
All these issues reflects our way of doing business. We are too greedy and only focus on making maximum profits and never focus on keeping the business running for long or creating a lasting business.
It's how our society has configured itself, everything is just short term thought.
 
#8
All these issues reflects our way of doing business. We are too greedy and only focus on making maximum profits and never focus on keeping the business running for long or creating a lasting business.
It's how our society has configured itself, everything is just short term thought.
Reminds me of my boss some years back, he used to advise us , whenever we are quoting for work, to be very reasonable, no matter how long it has taken for that job to come by.
Sio kuleta jaa ya mwezi sita kwa kazi.
 

Bigfish1

Village Elder
#9
Reminds me of my boss some years back, he used to advise us , whenever we are quoting for work, to be very reasonable, no matter how long it has taken for that job to come by.
Sio kuleta jaa ya mwezi sita kwa kazi.
It's something very wise, many people overlook the basics of staying in business. Especially considering our economy isn't strong when it comes to buying and spending power.
 

Motokubwa

Village Elder
#11
that's how the bubble bursted in the ol USA. You buy a house in subdivision X, at $150,000, which has 100 houses. 6 months down the line 3 people default on payment, the houses are repossessed by the bank. in essence, what you owe the bank is $90,000, and since the bank isn't out there to make profit, all that the bank wants is to recover the $90k, so, the house are put back in the market for $90k.
Word spread out in the subdivision that , 3 houses are being sold @ $90k, and what follows soon are people dumping the houses. for no one in his right mind will continue paying mortgage for $150k, will the value is $90k.



it was said in this village that, once we start sealing corruption avenues in .ke. that's the time the real estate will slow down, I guess its happening right in our eyes.
kwa hivo umekubali gova ina fight corruption?
 
#17
U think the basic way to do it apparently is target the middle class members,profits are profit and mark you the number of middle class constitutes the majority
 
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