The new fuel prices and the new reality

#1
The new fuel prices are about to hit us, followed by tough times ahead
I was telling my close friends, when the govt goes around dishing out "development" funds all over the country to villagers without looking at how
it will increase production,create employment and hence increase the tax base, kuna watu wataumia..and the usual suspects are the working class in Kenya, - people on formal payrolls, teachers, doctors,, etc.. after that the govt will focus on increasing taxes for common goods like fuel and such..and as usual the culprits are the same...the formal working class...(who for some reason call themselves the middle class)

We have overburdened the same tax payers with taxes without an attempt to widen the tax base...

The masses in the country who are not in formal employment and don't pay taxes from their income are the ones who put these leaders in power, it's the same crowd that will vote in corrupt leaders and then when you try reason with them they ask "kwani ni pesa yako inaibiwa".

The leaders know the working class in this country don't have the guts to protest effectively, they will just use hashtags and facebook posts and when the next big breaking news come,they just forget and move on.

Have you ever realized the problems that affect the slum-dwellers and the un-employed directly eg prices of unga are solved immediately??? why ? because this crowd is the one that participates in rallies and political processes, the rest of the "middle class" is too classy to get dirty, or even be seen complaining about prices lest they are seen
to be poor or struggling.

THE WORKING CLASS IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE THE POWER AND MEANS TO CHANGE THE GOVT OR INFLUENCE IT, THEY JUST LACK GUTS....
Example..if all people driving to work just switched off their vehicles at an agreed time like 8am on the roads to protest fuel prices,something would be done....

in summary
We need leaders to put our tax money where production will be boosted and jobs created.
 

patco

Village Sponsor
#4
kuna Turkana mmoja aliletwa kwa news juzi sijui kama mliona: "Bila 5% siwezi itikisha hio lorry ipite, haipiti! Haitatoka. Sisi ndio tasema! Mafuta ni yetu , sisi ndio tasema!"

Mliona? Mliskia?

@MortyTuumbo over to you. Wacha nione ni magic ama wizardry gani hio Gathecha atatumia ambayo Nigeria na Sudan hawajawaitumia to placate the owners of the oil. Na msisahau these are the same Turkanas who in 2012 in Baragoi turned a whole A.P. detachment to vulture food just using a few ancient kalshnikovs.

What is my point? My point is si hio mafuta si angesaidia pakubwa sana sana! Just put up a refinery in Turkana where the Turkana are and where the oil is!
A MODERN, EFFICIENT refinery!

And train and employ these Turkanas together with other Kenyans! Hata wao wajihisi waKenya for once. FOR ONCE!!

If a Turkana finds himself drivingatruck carryning refined petrol product from his county to a Shell station in Nairobi city center atawasumbua na nini tena?!! Ni nini ingine atataka kutoka kwako Gathecha?! Nini?

But of course kenyatalk govt. spokesman atasema refinery ni expensive sijui the oil is too little to deserve a refinery but unashindwa how is it too expensive whereas you want to build a billion dollar dirty coal plant! You are currently building a railway to nowhere that costs billions of dollars. One refinery ndio imekuwa expensive?

And this is an efficient refinery built with modern technology not the monster Kenyatta built in the 70s in Mombasa. Na kama Turkana oil itadidimia si you just sub-contract refinery services to South Sudan or Uganda. They are right next door to Turkana!
 

mabenda4

Village Elder
#6
kuna Turkana mmoja aliletwa kwa news juzi sijui kama mliona: "Bila 5% siwezi itikisha hio lorry ipite, haipiti! Haitatoka. Sisi ndio tasema! Mafuta ni yetu , sisi ndio tasema!"

Mliona? Mliskia?

@MortyTuumbo over to you. Wacha nione ni magic ama wizardry gani hio Gathecha atatumia ambayo Nigeria na Sudan hawajawaitumia to placate the owners of the oil. Na msisahau these are the same Turkanas who in 2012 in Baragoi turned a whole A.P. detachment to vulture food just using a few ancient kalshnikovs.

What is my point? My point is si hio mafuta si angesaidia pakubwa sana sana! Just put up a refinery in Turkana where the Turkana are and where the oil is!
A MODERN, EFFICIENT refinery!

And train and employ these Turkanas together with other Kenyans! Hata wao wajihisi waKenya for once. FOR ONCE!!

If a Turkana finds himself drivingatruck carryning refined petrol product from his county to a Shell station in Nairobi city center atawasumbua na nini tena?!! Ni nini ingine atataka kutoka kwako Gathecha?! Nini?

But of course kenyatalk govt. spokesman atasema refinery ni expensive sijui the oil is too little to deserve a refinery but unashindwa how is it too expensive whereas you want to build a billion dollar dirty coal plant! You are currently building a railway to nowhere that costs billions of dollars. One refinery ndio imekuwa expensive?

And this is an efficient refinery built with modern technology not the monster Kenyatta built in the 70s in Mombasa. Na kama Turkana oil itadidimia si you just sub-contract refinery services to South Sudan or Uganda. They are right next door to Turkana!
You have a sound valid point, sir. Am with you here. Just tame the Dragon before it awakens. Build the bloody refinery, and improve the lives and economy of the locals to levels where they would have something to lose if they sabotaged the oil. Right now, our brothers there have nothing to lose.....and the most dangerous fellow is he who has nothing to lose. Kasin should get ahead if this thing
 

patco

Village Sponsor
#7
Now Gathecha ameona shipping raw crude abroad itakuwa questionable. So now they are talking about pouring billions to revive the Changamwe refinery.

So let me get this straight, building a new refinery in Turkana is too expensive but you have the billions to build a pipeline from Lokichar to Mombasa!!!!!!???? Or the billions to lay a railway line from Lokichar to wherever!!!

Hii mafuta Mr. Gathecha haukuli pekee yako, I hope your minions on Ktalk let you know that. Hautawachiwa na hao watu. Build a refinery where the oil is if you want peace from Turkanas.

Ni kama kuhamisha farmers choice from Kahawa West to Lamu. Wakulima wanatoa nguruwe Kiambu na Thika wanapeleka Lamu kisha sausage inarudishwa Nairobi... And you justify construction of a new road to Lamu on those grounds. Ama maji ya ndakaini ipelekwe hadi Changamwe halafu inarudishwa Nairobi.

Build a modern refinery in Turkana and give Turkanas their jobs. Unapeleka mafuta Mombasa kuitoa kwa macho yao kwa nini? Why waste billions resuscitating a relic in Changamwe?
 

Pseudonyms

Village Elder
#8
Now Gathecha ameona shipping raw crude abroad itakuwa questionable. So now they are talking about pouring billions to revive the Changamwe refinery.

So let me get this straight, building a new refinery in Turkana is too expensive but you have the billions to build a pipeline from Lokichar to Mombasa!!!!!!???? Or the billions to lay a railway line from Lokichar to wherever!!!

Hii mafuta Mr. Gathecha haukuli pekee yako, I hope your minions on Ktalk let you know that. Hautawachiwa na hao watu. Build a refinery where the oil is if you want peace from Turkanas.

Ni kama kuhamisha farmers choice from Kahawa West to Lamu. Wakulima wanatoa nguruwe Kiambu na Thika wanapeleka Lamu kisha sausage inarudishwa Nairobi... And you justify construction of a new road to Lamu on those grounds. Ama maji ya ndakaini ipelekwe hadi Changamwe halafu inarudishwa Nairobi.

Build a modern refinery in Turkana and give Turkanas their jobs. Unapeleka mafuta Mombasa kuitoa kwa macho yao kwa nini? Why waste billions resuscitating a relic in Changamwe?
Wish I could like this more than once.

Lakini ndugu yetu @spear atakuja na kizungu na coloured diagrams to convince is that this common sense is in this case idiocy.
 

mabenda4

Village Elder
#9
Now Gathecha ameona shipping raw crude abroad itakuwa questionable. So now they are talking about pouring billions to revive the Changamwe refinery.

So let me get this straight, building a new refinery in Turkana is too expensive but you have the billions to build a pipeline from Lokichar to Mombasa!!!!!!???? Or the billions to lay a railway line from Lokichar to wherever!!!

Hii mafuta Mr. Gathecha haukuli pekee yako, I hope your minions on Ktalk let you know that. Hautawachiwa na hao watu. Build a refinery where the oil is if you want peace from Turkanas.

Ni kama kuhamisha farmers choice from Kahawa West to Lamu. Wakulima wanatoa nguruwe Kiambu na Thika wanapeleka Lamu kisha sausage inarudishwa Nairobi... And you justify construction of a new road to Lamu on those grounds. Ama maji ya ndakaini ipelekwe hadi Changamwe halafu inarudishwa Nairobi.

Build a modern refinery in Turkana and give Turkanas their jobs. Unapeleka mafuta Mombasa kuitoa kwa macho yao kwa nini? Why waste billions resuscitating a relic in Changamwe?
This changamwe relic, mind You, it's smack in the middle of densely populated area.....a ticking bomb and a would be target for any crazies..... Why not just build it at production. Some policy makers are an embarrassment
 

Adeudeu

Village Elder
#15
Tusijidanganye. The oil under Kenyan soil can last eternity, but refining that oil has consequences worse than those of sabotaging River Nile. In geography class we were taught Kenya has only a couple of minerals--flouspar and some other powders. How oil and coal miraculously emerged is anyone's guess.

Ati train Turkanas. How long will it take the govt to train 20+ years old men whose only life ambition is to herd a bunch of emaciated cattle?

Use that money to build nuclear weapons. Then we can build and protect what we can call ours.
 

patco

Village Sponsor
#17
And how do you renovate an old refinery? Basically si ni kama kujenga mpya tu since everything has to be new and computerized or "digital" to borrow a Jubilee word!

And in fact I can confidently say here that if Gathecha was to build a refinery in Turkana he won't even need to build roads or railways or pipelines using tax payer money. He won't need to! Once you declare to the whole world that your refinery is now ready and producing grade A petrol, deisel, motor oils, tarmac for roads, gas etcetera.... wachia hapo. The people will do the rest for you!

The Arab has shown the way. Arabs like to speak to each other openly especially when it comes to oil. In Kenya ni mkubwa BILA KUAMBIA AMA KWUULIZA MTU, atumie billions za taxpayer kujenga Muthurwa market kisha akimaliza anaambia hawker ati waingie huko...

Wanaingia wapi na hata hawajui ni nini hio umejenga? You never consulted them or asked their opinions or their needs. And then the same govt. blames the hawker when Muthurwa (and many other govt. markets) fails to work.

CONSULT. BE OPEN. WACHA UKORA!

Just call a symposium for all industry players. Si Gathecha mnapenda hizo sana with fancy screens and Big Ted. Call petrol station owners, factory owners, the Turkana MCAs, their governors... kitu open yaani. For everyone.

Discuss and determine how much petrol and diesel can be refined and how much Kenya needs and how much we can export. Where the finished product depots in Turkana will be. How many workers the refinery will need and how many jobs will be allocated to Turkanas in an open manner. Build a college where they will be trained.

Kwani Saudi Aramco biggest company on earth ilianza aje? Baby steps. Hadi kukakuwa na estate za workers huko. With openness no one has doubts, no questions are left unanswered.

After you build the refinery labda hata utaaambiwa na Shell ama Total ama Engen: "we will foot half the bill for a new road to Turkana. Tutakujia mafuta huko sisi wenyewe na lorry zetu Mr. President and we will price the oil at 40 bob per liter."

Mnaskizana. Step by step. Vijana na wamama nao watakuwa na petrol station zao under this inua jamii scheme. They will get this percent. All roads will be retarmacked for free since we now have tar! Kerosene will be free OR we will import gas at reduced costs.

Lakini sasa mtu mmoja anataka ati ashikilie yote! Afadhali aitoe Kenya ikiwa black crude ndio akule keki yote kama Nigeria. Ati aipileke Mombasa neutral territory ndio afanyie ukora yake huko. Ati unseen... who told you? Kenyans see everything! Hata wakiwa huko Turkana wanakuona.

Basi na wewe utaikula ikiwa imejaa damu. Red crude, red gold.
 

pamba

Village Sponsor
#18
Tusijidanganye. The oil under Kenyan soil can last eternity, but refining that oil has consequences worse than those of sabotaging River Nile. In geography class we were taught Kenya has only a couple of minerals--flouspar and some other powders. How oil and coal miraculously emerged is anyone's guess.

Ati train Turkanas. How long will it take the govt to train 20+ years old men whose only life ambition is to herd a bunch of emaciated cattle?

Use that money to build nuclear weapons. Then we can build and protect what we can call ours.[/QUOTE
Sir you're overthinking you mean all turkanas are born 20 plus years ?
 
K

Kimakia

Guest
#19
Now Gathecha ameona shipping raw crude abroad itakuwa questionable. So now they are talking about pouring billions to revive the Changamwe refinery.

So let me get this straight, building a new refinery in Turkana is too expensive but you have the billions to build a pipeline from Lokichar to Mombasa!!!!!!???? Or the billions to lay a railway line from Lokichar to wherever!!!

Hii mafuta Mr. Gathecha haukuli pekee yako, I hope your minions on Ktalk let you know that. Hautawachiwa na hao watu. Build a refinery where the oil is if you want peace from Turkanas.

Ni kama kuhamisha farmers choice from Kahawa West to Lamu. Wakulima wanatoa nguruwe Kiambu na Thika wanapeleka Lamu kisha sausage inarudishwa Nairobi... And you justify construction of a new road to Lamu on those grounds. Ama maji ya ndakaini ipelekwe hadi Changamwe halafu inarudishwa Nairobi.

Build a modern refinery in Turkana and give Turkanas their jobs. Unapeleka mafuta Mombasa kuitoa kwa macho yao kwa nini? Why waste billions resuscitating a relic in Changamwe?
He is doing this because elsewhere Kenyans have always allowed him to have his way whenever he needed to take something from them
I tell Turkanas to stand up and ask for what is theirs.5% ni kidogo kwanza 15% bila kuongea wapewe
 

adapter

Village Elder
#20
kuna Turkana mmoja aliletwa kwa news juzi sijui kama mliona: "Bila 5% siwezi itikisha hio lorry ipite, haipiti! Haitatoka. Sisi ndio tasema! Mafuta ni yetu , sisi ndio tasema!"

Mliona? Mliskia?

@MortyTuumbo over to you. Wacha nione ni magic ama wizardry gani hio Gathecha atatumia ambayo Nigeria na Sudan hawajawaitumia to placate the owners of the oil. Na msisahau these are the same Turkanas who in 2012 in Baragoi turned a whole A.P. detachment to vulture food just using a few ancient kalshnikovs.

What is my point? My point is si hio mafuta si angesaidia pakubwa sana sana! Just put up a refinery in Turkana where the Turkana are and where the oil is!
A MODERN, EFFICIENT refinery!

And train and employ these Turkanas together with other Kenyans! Hata wao wajihisi waKenya for once. FOR ONCE!!

If a Turkana finds himself drivingatruck carryning refined petrol product from his county to a Shell station in Nairobi city center atawasumbua na nini tena?!! Ni nini ingine atataka kutoka kwako Gathecha?! Nini?

But of course kenyatalk govt. spokesman atasema refinery ni expensive sijui the oil is too little to deserve a refinery but unashindwa how is it too expensive whereas you want to build a billion dollar dirty coal plant! You are currently building a railway to nowhere that costs billions of dollars. One refinery ndio imekuwa expensive?

And this is an efficient refinery built with modern technology not the monster Kenyatta built in the 70s in Mombasa. Na kama Turkana oil itadidimia si you just sub-contract refinery services to South Sudan or Uganda. They are right next door to Turkana!
@patco, my guy uko na points kibao za maana hadi zimejaa kikapu. However with this very brilliant suggestion umeona likes ngapi from villagers? what I'm trying to say is that even though we pretend to be progressive (the working class "middle class") we are full of tribalisim and backwardness, I mean this is exactly like the Naivasha port issue, why not machakos, samburu e.t.c and heck what is wrong with leaving things in Mombasa!? The reason they don't want to build a refinery in Turkana is because the locals "don't deserve it & aren't Kenyan enough" according to their standards that's why.
The owners of Kenya "those old billionaires" control and decide on everything, who gets what and when and just remembering what the dead Kenyatta said... "Raia akishiba sana hata tii amri"... you realize that there is no logical reason to inflate electricity and fuel prices, none whatsoever not even for building roads because it's already catered for by the fuel levy. Why is the government increasing tax on imported mitumba cars at a time when more cars are being bought every month than before? Is this not progress for car dealers, petrol stations, car washes and even mechanics? they have even propsed to limit the importation to cars that are less than 5 years old. Increase of fuel and electricty prices is crucial though because it will cause a ripple effect on the price of everything thus affecting the working class and the unemployed hence keeping you in the rat race.
 

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