US Visa Lottery. DV2020

[Eng_iti]

@Panyaste

hii ni matusi to Kenyans in motherland…Typical egoism ya diaspora in the states

Many of them have a skewed opinion on Kenyans back at home. Na bado kuna Wakenya wengi huishi maisha poa hapa Kenya kushinda hio majuu yao. But I won’t judge in this case lakini @Purple ni kama usha wai tumia hii matusi somewhere… NOT HERE though…

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@Tracy

I am here but would advice you if you have a good job hold onto it. The figures you see being thrown around are peanuts when faced with reality. You will live hand to mouth. Hii pesa looks good on paper but reality is that a Kenyan earning 100K lives a much better and stress free life than a Kenyan in the states earning 4k dollars a month.

Not true at all. Living a great life in Kenya is way more expensive than in the US. To get the standard of living that you find majuu, you must live in the likes of Runda, Karen, Lavington. How much does a bungalow cost in those estates?
I think you need to earn not less than 400-500k Kenyan shillings before you can say you’re better off living in Kenya.

@Eng'iti

Am trying figuring out if you don’t hold such tenet. It is very difficult keeping it all through without unleashing it when need arises or until provoked by a kenyan…

I don’t hold such tenets but wazungus abroad think that way about Africa without ever setting foot. That’s why I asked Okiya who’s in the best position to advise him. Shouldn’t it be those who actually live and work there?

[Tracy]

@Purple

Not true at all. Living a great life in Kenya is way more expensive than in the US. To get the standard of living that you find majuu, you must live in the likes of Runda, Karen, Lavington. How much does a bungalow cost in those estates?
I think you need to earn not less than 400-500k Kenyan shillings before you can say you’re better off living in Kenya.

You know am right but you have to dispute to maintain your image. Fine

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@mswazi

Let me ruin your day by telling you that most of us business men and women here in Kenya make upwards of $60000 in a year. That $60000 goes a loooong way here in Kenya compared to over there and we get to live the life we want everyday of the year. Unlike you who has to hope and pray for God’s help to survive the racism in US so you can get to enjoy your savings in your sunset years :D:D:D Usijaribu kutusi mama yetu Kenya tena, ghasia takataka

Good for you, but most businessmen and women do NOT make half a million per month. Anywho, this thread is about Okiya and the DV 2020 wacheni kucatch feerings. :D:D:D:D

[MANKY]

@Purple

That’s unusual. Typically, people who work more than 1 professional job are interested in making mullah, not just to survive.
Here are some average annual US salaries:
Nurses- $68,000
Teacher- $61,000
Engineer-$81,000

It’s interesting that when people who live and work in America give their opinion, it is rubbished by those who never set foot there.

Can I also say that Kenya is a filthy, poor, disease-ridden, drought ravaged, violent, corrupt, 3rd world country? Is that a fair and accurate representation?

inst that half a million kenyan shillings a month for a teacher?

[Bazuka]

@Okiya

Open from October 3rd to November 6th.

Question to akina @Simiyu22 @kiLo- and madam Admin who live in US, if one has a good job here in Kenya, is it worth kukuja huko?

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I have a friend who has been there for the past 10 years and went there with this thing na bado hajainvest anything back here. Ama pengine bado anasave?

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@Bazuka

I have a friend who has been there for the past 10 years and went there with this thing na bado hajainvest anything back here. Ama pengine bado anasave?

People are different. Hata huku Kenya kuna watu wengi hawaja invest. Also some Kenyans in the US are changing their mindset about ever coming back. They say they will live there forever, buy homes there and be buried majuu. So perceptions are shifting…not everyone anakufia kenya like before when investing nyumbani was the end all, be all.

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@MANKY

inst that half a million kenyan shillings a month for a teacher?

Yes sir.

[Okiya]

@Purple so you’re saying I can win the lottery but opt to remain in Kenya? Hakuna rules kama ati I have to reside in US? Ama go to US every year? And btw 500k in Kenya huwezi ishi runda. That’s 350k net

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@Okiya

@Purple so you’re saying I can win the lottery but opt to remain in Kenya? Hakuna rules kama ati I have to reside in US? Ama go to US every year?

To maintain your greencard, just go to the US every year, they stamp your passport alafu unarudi home. If ever in future your kids need to study abroad, it will come in very handy.

[Tracy]

@MANKY

inst that half a million kenyan shillings a month for a teacher?

The same teachers were on strike in states like Oklahoma a few months ago. That should tell you the reality on the ground. Also teachers are not exactly middle class in the States

[Bazuka]

@Purple

To maintain your greencard, just go to the US every year, they stamp your passport alafu unarudi home. If ever in future your kids need to study abroad, it will come in very handy.

Hii ni idea msuli sana. Cant just leave behind my hard earned investments and nurturing my company hivyo tu. Kuna guarantee ya nice paying jobs na hii lottery ama unaanzia tu kwa ma petro station na kusimama malls/ supermarkets being paid per hour?

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@Okiya

@Purple so you’re saying I can win the lottery but opt to remain in Kenya? Hakuna rules kama ati I have to reside in US? Ama go to US every year? And btw 500k in Kenya huwezi ishi runda. That’s 350k net

Exactly, you are just emphasizing my point. You need to earn almost a million and above to live in a clean environment whereas a lowly janitor can also live decently in the US.

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@Tracy

The same teachers were on strike in states like Oklahoma a few months ago. That should tell you the reality on the ground. Also teachers are not exactly middle class in the States

Every state pia ni different depending on what they prioritize. In my state of PA, plenty of teachers make $100k and above. You need to learn how to see the grey areas of life. Not everything is black and white, vile vile I can’t give a single story of poverty and disease on Kenya.

[mbelava]

@Purple

If you win the GC, take a one year sabbatical from work and come see for yourself.

As for me, going to America and working there was the BEST thing ever. For you Okiya, you’ve built a nice house pale Thika Greens and you’re in middle to upper level management. May not be a good idea to pack everything and leave.

However, you can still go ahead and claim that GC so that in case your kids get into Harvard, Yale , Stanford etc they could easily get federal grants and loans. After they graduate from college, they will have the option of working there if they so choose. Also having that American passport gives you visa free entry to many countries all over the world so traveling sio shida.

I would agree on @Purple on this. If you get the visa, neenda ujionee, everyone experience is different in foreign lands. There are many pros of living abroad and I believe just as many living in Kenya but its a personal thing. The best thing for me is having a CHOICE. I know there are many people who suffer abroad but its mostly those who are “underground” Kama uko na papers, life is imo, so much easier and better than kenya. Maybe, it also depends on how your experiences/upbringing, money talks wherever you are but its much more reasonable in developed countries for the less wealthy. I know Kenya will get to a place where the developed countries are but for now, I would prefer getting that greencard.

[Tracy]

@Purple

Every state pia ni different depending on what they prioritize. In my state of PA, plenty of teachers make $100k and above. You need to learn how to see the grey areas of life. Not everything is black and white, vile vile I can’t give a single story of poverty and disease on Kenya.

:D:D

[MANKY]

@Tracy

The same teachers were on strike in states like Oklahoma a few months ago. That should tell you the reality on the ground. Also teachers are not exactly middle class in the States

500k compared to 50k hapa na unafunza watu washiki any. eish:D:D:D:D

[Nostradumbass]

mimi nipewe wrink niapply nikasalimie T-rump

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[Kennedy_Maina]

@Purple

That’s unusual. Typically, people who work more than 1 professional job are interested in making mullah, not just to survive.
Here are some average annual US salaries:
Nurses- $68,000
Teacher- $61,000
Engineer-$81,000

It’s interesting that when people who live and work in America give their opinion, it is rubbished by those who never set foot there.

Can I also say that Kenya is a filthy, poor, disease-ridden, drought ravaged, violent, corrupt, 3rd world country? Is that a fair and accurate representation?

In the same country where rents are above $1000.
Just like Kenyans, many people in the US still live paycheck to paycheck.

With a good salary in Kenya, you can have a very high quality of life. There are many decent middle class gated communities with all amenities.
Only downside is you’ll have to inhale a lot of dust everywhere else.